17th Century Ship Design and the Sovereign of the Seas (1637)

[Jacapa412]

Hi Jacapa!
Thanks for your questions. My build will be a scratch build, so I really can't speak to adjusting the frames. What I can tell you is that I had the unfortunate (and really dumb!) experience of building out most of the hull last summer, and I didn't like what I saw. As a result, I have changed the top timber rising line, and the where the hollowing of the top timbers starts and stops (yes, I need to update the relevant parts of my thread). I've pretty much completed that now, but would like to proof the new body plan for errors. When I finish this, I could send you either STL files or PDFs. PDFs will be at 1:64 scale, but you can easily change the scale on most copiers. STL files can be adjusted in a CAD program. I don't know if you know CAD, but you can easily do it in Librecad (which is a 2D CAD program), which is pretty easy to learn.

I confess to not being quite sure of what you want. The body plan should be sufficient. A tutorial on scratch building by Dave Stevens on SOS shows you how to use a body plan to extrapolate the frames not shown on a body plan, and there are probably other relevant threads here on SOS as well. Please bear in mind that any plans I send will only contain the bends, and not all of the frames.

If, on the other hand, you want full patterns of each bend (i.e., patterns that show both sides of the bends), I could send those to you too, but they are not ready yet. In either case, in a few months, please kick me in the side of the head to remind me of what you want.

Also, don't be surprised if what is shown on my plans don't mesh well with the kit. I measured that kit many years ago, and although I don't remember the exact details, I never could figure out what scale the kit is, even though the manufacturer says its 1:78. Also, the lengths of the weather decks on my plans and the kit might be different.
Thanks again!!!!

Hi Charlie,
Thanks for the quick reply. I’m actually in no rush; I don’t want to start the SOTS until I finish my HMS Terror. I’m just following the threads to get an idea of what I’m getting myself into haha! But seriously, I’ve been keeping up with all the information appearing not just on this forum but in Facebook groups, on YouTube, and elsewhere. If you want, take a look at this YouTube video; I think this modeler Andrey Kudin had an excellent idea for constructing the hull. He has ton of videos, and I’ve learned a lot just by watching and taking notes. Whenever you watch them, try adjusting the settings to turn on English subtitles, he always speaks in Russian, but the subtitles make everything clear (though I don't think you can enable them for this specific video). Still, the results speak for themselves; just look at the way he built the hull. If you haven't seen his work before, sit back and enjoy, I guarantee you'll learn something new in every video.
I simply wanted to gather as much data as possible and study everything because I know the road ahead will be tough, but though that doesn't scare me.
I work with CAD and other design programs since I’m an architect, but these days you can't really do what we did back in my student days whit the software . Since I only use it once a year or every two or three years I decided not to pay for it; I focus more on construction and remodeling work now.
What I was really thinking about was the frame curves, adjusting them to match the kit's or vice versa, because from what I’ve seen in other threads, you have to shave several millimeters off almost every frame. I’m in no hurry; I’ll let you know when the time comes. Finish up your work and that excellent research you’re doing. In any case, I want to discuss the frame curves with a former classmate of my father’s, a naval engineer, so he can give me a few lessons on how to interpret the plans, cross-sections, and elevations of ship hulls; I imagine it’s not easy at all. A PDF format would be more convenient; the scale can always be adjusted, though you do have to use a bit of paper and ink printing until you get the right size. It’s a tedious job, but not impossible.
I won’t bore you any further, I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the reply and have a great day. Let’s stay in touch.
Jack

 

[AllanKP69]

Andrey's model does look nice, but I wonder about the planking outboard. It may be the photos or the lower wales are only on temporarily, but the lower wales look like they are mistakenly following the sheer of the decks (and gun ports)
Allan