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Less body, more wing. Other wise you got a goose and can serve it at Christmas for dinner.Unfortunately I have to kill her again as I have to sand half of her body to fit it to the ship
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A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36
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Don't mix us up with the FrenchYour national chicken is beautiful
Today I cut a big hole in the stern.
As the ship was a woodhauler sailing towards the baltic for getting pine and spruce from the Northern parts and oak from the Baltic states.
To load all these logs into the hold there is a door in the stern just above the waterline. This was not a simple port with a lid but a port which was closed with planks and caulking after it was closed.
It is located at the red square below on the wreck pictures.
You can see the door on pictures of the wreck.
The size of the door I determined at 2,5 x 2,5 Amsterdam foot. Which is 70 x 70 cm. This is determined by a size comparison between this door and the sternport in the cabin.
I have placed the lower sill of the port 1 foot above the load water line.
The port in the ship is still work in progress.
As the ship was a woodhauler sailing towards the baltic for getting pine and spruce from the Northern parts and oak from the Baltic states.
To load all these logs into the hold there is a door in the stern just above the waterline. This was not a simple port with a lid but a port which was closed with planks and caulking after it was closed.
It is located at the red square below on the wreck pictures.
You can see the door on pictures of the wreck.
The size of the door I determined at 2,5 x 2,5 Amsterdam foot. Which is 70 x 70 cm. This is determined by a size comparison between this door and the sternport in the cabin.
I have placed the lower sill of the port 1 foot above the load water line.
The port in the ship is still work in progress.
Maarten, That is a very clean cut for the cargo hatch. Which tool did you use to achieve such detail? Magic Mike
As a HCSA member is this cut for you ‘a piece of cake’. Nicely done, Maarten.
Regards? Peter.
Hi Mike.
First I drilled some small holes next to each other on the line of the cut. Followed by a carving knive through the drill holes making the slot large enough for my small japanese saw.
Finally a jewellers file to finish it.
Today the cargo door was finished.
After fitting an additional hull plank the complete outside of the door/port was squared and also the top sil fitted on the inside.
A hatch was made of cross nailed planks.
To fit into the door.
The nails to the door still have to be made.
At sea this door was nailed in place and caulked.
To give you an idea about the real ship as at the sea bottom and mine, see below.
After fitting an additional hull plank the complete outside of the door/port was squared and also the top sil fitted on the inside.
A hatch was made of cross nailed planks.
To fit into the door.
The nails to the door still have to be made.
At sea this door was nailed in place and caulked.
To give you an idea about the real ship as at the sea bottom and mine, see below.
I expect it was nailed like regular hull planking. There is certainly no trace of hinges on it and no bolts to see.
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Some remarkably fine miniature joinery!
Small hatches are often looking great. For sure yours does, Maarten.
Regards, Peter
The hatch is now finished by nailing the inner planks to the outer planks.
Planking on the outside continues so I can add treenails through both planking layers.
To fit a complex plank shape the following methode was used.
With a batten the curvature of the plank to create can be written on the hull.
Next a straight batten/plank is held between the two points where the plank should be fitted.
At multiple points markers are written on the batten and measurements taken from the batten to the marked line and to the next plank. These measurements are wrtten on the batten as are changes in shape of the plank.
The batten is held along the wood to saw the plank from. From the batten the measurements are marked on the wood at the specific marked points. Next the points are connected in a flowing line.
Now the shape of the plank is created it is sawn from the wood.
Finally it needs some trimming and fine tuning before it is fitted.
And yes again an awkward shaped plank. Shapes like this again taken from excisting wreck data.
Planking on the outside continues so I can add treenails through both planking layers.
To fit a complex plank shape the following methode was used.
With a batten the curvature of the plank to create can be written on the hull.
Next a straight batten/plank is held between the two points where the plank should be fitted.
At multiple points markers are written on the batten and measurements taken from the batten to the marked line and to the next plank. These measurements are wrtten on the batten as are changes in shape of the plank.
The batten is held along the wood to saw the plank from. From the batten the measurements are marked on the wood at the specific marked points. Next the points are connected in a flowing line.
Now the shape of the plank is created it is sawn from the wood.
Finally it needs some trimming and fine tuning before it is fitted.
And yes again an awkward shaped plank. Shapes like this again taken from excisting wreck data.
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Nice work!
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Superb!
Thx guys. Now the shape between the current planking and the wales is nearly parallel the remaining planks will be rather straight forward.
Ditto and ditto. Maarten this is "off the charts" good. Cheers Grant
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I do have question,
If this is a 'houthaaler', (woodhauler), how where the long tree trunks put in the ship?
1 - With a customized crane made of wooden poles, rope and manpower and put the end part in the front hole, adjust the rope on the log and put some more in the ship and so on till the other end is in the ship?
Problems:
1 - You can't slide the log through the hole as it would rip the wood from the hole apart.
2 - Once a part of the trunk is in the hold, do the sailors in the hold pickup the trunk and carry it to the bow? Oh wait a minute, that is not how it works.
3 - How about the other way around? Like unloading. Pick up the log, shove it through the hole in the bow and out it goes.
Would be great if you could remove the complete deck, than you could load and unload with ease.
Or it can be the that the gratings on the deck would be large and when removed load and unload logs that way again with a customized crane.
Read a paper a longtime ago that the stern piece (Spiegel) would open up like a door and logs would be loaded through that.
Seriously, how is it done?
Are there any research papers on this subject?
I Really want to know..
Thanks,
Marcus
If this is a 'houthaaler', (woodhauler), how where the long tree trunks put in the ship?
1 - With a customized crane made of wooden poles, rope and manpower and put the end part in the front hole, adjust the rope on the log and put some more in the ship and so on till the other end is in the ship?
Problems:
1 - You can't slide the log through the hole as it would rip the wood from the hole apart.
2 - Once a part of the trunk is in the hold, do the sailors in the hold pickup the trunk and carry it to the bow? Oh wait a minute, that is not how it works.
3 - How about the other way around? Like unloading. Pick up the log, shove it through the hole in the bow and out it goes.
Would be great if you could remove the complete deck, than you could load and unload with ease.
Or it can be the that the gratings on the deck would be large and when removed load and unload logs that way again with a customized crane.
Read a paper a longtime ago that the stern piece (Spiegel) would open up like a door and logs would be loaded through that.
Seriously, how is it done?
Are there any research papers on this subject?
I Really want to know..
Thanks,
Marcus
Maybe this helps Marcus:
Most of the wood from Scandinavia was sawn fir wood. It was loaded through a port in the side of the ships. How trunks were loaded you can see at the first picture.
Oak trunks usually arrived from Germany with enormous rafts over the Rhine.
These are all original 17th century paintings.
I can send you an article about the subject from Scheepshistorie (in Dutch).
Most of the wood from Scandinavia was sawn fir wood. It was loaded through a port in the side of the ships. How trunks were loaded you can see at the first picture.
Oak trunks usually arrived from Germany with enormous rafts over the Rhine.
These are all original 17th century paintings.
I can send you an article about the subject from Scheepshistorie (in Dutch).
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