Pls note... there is nothing with yards rigging... we are talking about standing rigging alone
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Airfix Golden Hind 1/72 with added rigging and details
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Thanks (AS ALWAYS!) Kirill. I found another reference to running tackles in another reference book I have. I have made notes, for when I get to the rigging.
I have spent the last few days masking (and masking and masking...) the GH hull so I can put the dark brown base coat under the places to be brown painted wood. That is now done. And I have used oil paints to add some texture. I will post some pics soon. I will let that cure for a week, and then I start the hand painting of the wales and the decorations. Scary stuff
I have spent the last few days masking (and masking and masking...) the GH hull so I can put the dark brown base coat under the places to be brown painted wood. That is now done. And I have used oil paints to add some texture. I will post some pics soon. I will let that cure for a week, and then I start the hand painting of the wales and the decorations. Scary stuff
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Hmmm. My copy of Kirsch has many pages missing. I realised this because I do not have the page you posted, which identifies the numbers of the lines in the figure.Good day!
John,
Me personal, on my model, Ive used No1 for back stay for the 16tn ... Don't hurry up... I would reccomend ...jist slowly going down trough Anderson book, each article relevant to your actual stage of your model rigging, to understand what he is talking about , and just follow what he says
You will be surprised how simple are the rigging are, that You could see on the models and pictures ...
That riging lines #33 You marked blue and green on Peter Kirsch galleon model - they are botn should be mast tackles, mast tackles..but He says they are breath backstays which is strange for me....
As I could see, He didn't show back stays in his reconstruction of his galleon riggings... the initial source of all rigging reconstruction - see Anderson book
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I am missing many pages...
36 to 47
74 to 164
and nothing beyond 200.
But I was aboe to find a copy at a resonable price so I have ordered it.
I prefer hard copies to electronic..but electronic are FAR better than none
Good day,John,
I also like hard copies...I try to purchase them when posible...
I also like hard copies...I try to purchase them when posible...
Dark brown parts of hull painted. I wanted it to appear as wood that has been painted...er...dark brown I usually use some oils over that to get texture and grain but they don't show up very well against a dark base. I might try the lifecolor acrylics as a wash, once the oil has cured. So for the next few days I will be working on a B52 for a friend. Talk about extremes of technology!
I usually use some oils over that to get texture and grain but they don't show up very well against a dark base. I might try the lifecolor acrylics as a wash, once the oil has cured. So for the next few days I will be working on a B52 for a friend. Talk about extremes of technology!
I have ordered the GH plans from Eugene. The belaying diagram is in German, and I have tried to translate as best as I can. The file below was constructed with the help of some German friends, If anyone can help extend entries, or clarify terms, that would be very welcome! Cheers.
Hello John,
You can use any of specialized maritime dictionary for this, beside that, as I remember, in Markvardt 's book "Rigging of 18th ..." there is tripple dictionary french- german- english in the end of the book. That famous Mondfeld book about ship modeling, on the first pages has couple of very nice diagrams with rigging and belaying schemes of GH rigging...and in my opinion he made more accurate version of sprit sail rigging than Eugen/ that part which conserns spritsail braces only...You could see by yourself when You reach this stage... but this is only my private suggestion...
You can use any of specialized maritime dictionary for this, beside that, as I remember, in Markvardt 's book "Rigging of 18th ..." there is tripple dictionary french- german- english in the end of the book. That famous Mondfeld book about ship modeling, on the first pages has couple of very nice diagrams with rigging and belaying schemes of GH rigging...and in my opinion he made more accurate version of sprit sail rigging than Eugen/ that part which conserns spritsail braces only...You could see by yourself when You reach this stage... but this is only my private suggestion...
Any progress with translation?
I guess You already have Mondfeld's book... as I mention above, there are couple of GH rigging and belaying points diagramms... similar to that what Eugene made, all points in english... actually GH has very standart and not complicated , classic square rigging scheme, there should not be any black spots... I hope You have RC Anderson book where He gives detailed explanation of each rope, and there is another value source of small 16th galleon rigging - "The Mayflower and other colonial vessels" by W. A.Baker - there are detailed rigging plan of MF which is identical to GH rigging, and a few lists of all rigging lines with relevant rope sizes and description of each rope - I would very recommend this book....
I guess You already have Mondfeld's book... as I mention above, there are couple of GH rigging and belaying points diagramms... similar to that what Eugene made, all points in english... actually GH has very standart and not complicated , classic square rigging scheme, there should not be any black spots... I hope You have RC Anderson book where He gives detailed explanation of each rope, and there is another value source of small 16th galleon rigging - "The Mayflower and other colonial vessels" by W. A.Baker - there are detailed rigging plan of MF which is identical to GH rigging, and a few lists of all rigging lines with relevant rope sizes and description of each rope - I would very recommend this book....
Thansk (as always) Kirill. Yes, I have Mondfeld and Anderson. These are great, I just hope my skills are capable of following the instructions!
I have ordered the Mayflower book...should arrive soon.
I have ordered the Mayflower book...should arrive soon.
Good day John,
My suggestion ... on my drawing I don't have mast tackles...17 and 36 are tackles of F and M Top masts backstays, they are mirrored...on both sides
There I have some doubts, in this period they should be running backstays, rbs have different rigging arrangements...
I doubtful there are correctly rigged braces of spritsail, I think running end of spritsail braces should start from the fore stay, than trough pendant brace block than back to the lead block on the fore stay and than to the forecastle... ?
When spritsail braces run straight to the forcastle than spritsail couldn't be operated... it should stay more-less, perpendicular to the bowsprit and turn around it , not like main sails move around masts....
look at this picture of GH replica and MF replica , how spritsail braces arranged and how spritsail settled ... it couldn't be done like that if sprt sail braces will run straight to the forecastle...
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there are a couple of Mondfeld reconstruction plans - all the same as on the Eugene's drawing and his belaying scheme - check
My suggestion ... on my drawing I don't have mast tackles...17 and 36 are tackles of F and M Top masts backstays, they are mirrored...on both sides
There I have some doubts, in this period they should be running backstays, rbs have different rigging arrangements...
I doubtful there are correctly rigged braces of spritsail, I think running end of spritsail braces should start from the fore stay, than trough pendant brace block than back to the lead block on the fore stay and than to the forecastle... ?
When spritsail braces run straight to the forcastle than spritsail couldn't be operated... it should stay more-less, perpendicular to the bowsprit and turn around it , not like main sails move around masts....
look at this picture of GH replica and MF replica , how spritsail braces arranged and how spritsail settled ... it couldn't be done like that if sprt sail braces will run straight to the forecastle...
ps
there are a couple of Mondfeld reconstruction plans - all the same as on the Eugene's drawing and his belaying scheme - check
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Many thanks! I will use that to add to my list
Great information, question, are you adding a gun deck?
Yes. I have opened the ports for the guns, and have purchased nice guns from HiSmodel. I just have to somehow construct the intertior "deck" to hold the guns. I think individual "deckettes" is perhaps the best way
A small deck per gun, might be easier to handle.(Reminiscent of the Python sketch, trying to sell string in 3 inch lengths..."Individual stringettes! The *now* string for the modern world!")
Hello John!
This is Good idea with this added individual gun deck, I need to do something similar on my model !
All The Best!
This is Good idea with this added individual gun deck, I need to do something similar on my model !
All The Best!
I also spoke with Radimir at HisModels and he had some good ideas. Basically, we want the guns and carriages to be very securely held in place. Once the hull halves are joined we cannot fix anything that goes wrong so the guns have to be very securely held to the carriages and the carriages have to be well secured to the fake deck. So Radimir suggested not putting the wheels on the carriages. They will not be visible anyway, and without the wheels there is a larger area to be glued to the deck. Good thinking. He also suggested a discreet thin black wire to hold the cannons securely onto the carriages. And then I thought that I could also easily secure that wire through a hole in the (fake) deck so that the entire thing (guns and carriages) are well glued *and* secured by wire. That should hold it in place.
Provided I can secure the fake deck itself!!
After waiting two weeks for the oil paints to dry (on the GH outer hull) I will resume the hull painting in the next few days.
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