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Elite hockey players are not bugging hobby hockey players that all of them should play like Wayne Gretzky,you know what I mean!!
Elite hockey players are not bugging hobby hockey players that all of them should play like Wayne Gretzky,you know what I mean!!
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One of my U Tube productions:
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I took (and appreciated) the hockey comment as a tongue-in-cheek attempt to lighten the mood, rather than a serious comparison to ship model building. But I also have trouble sometimes reading the room...
Thanks for saying that. I actually took Roger’s hockey comment as lighthearted too, and I think it did bring a bit of humor into the thread, which is always nice. My response wasn’t meant to challenge it, just to share a different perspective on how I see ship modeling. I totally get what you mean about reading the room, it’s not always easy online, and I’ve definitely missed a tone or two myself!
At the end of the day, a little back-and-forth like this reminds me why I enjoy being part of this community so much: good people, good builds, and good conversations. It’s part of what makes SOS members so engaging, everyone brings their views, experiences, and a good dose of personality.
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the topic is creating a TV or You tube videos. it is being done
do i think we can wrap this discussion up.
i do
do i think we can wrap this discussion up.
i do
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What do you think about the idea of making a TV program to spread modeling to a wider audience... The masters who are here and have free time can give lessons and practices about modeling... It can also be a source of income for this forum that we are members of... What are your thoughts?
back to the original post we are not qualified as a production company to produce TV or You tube videos, nor do we have the staff to do so.
the masters that are sharing lessons, tips and information. that is the reason for Ships of Scale.
the up front cost to do a TV series is so expensive SoS would never profit from it.
back to the original post we are not qualified as a production company to produce TV or You tube videos, nor do we have the staff to do so.
the masters that are sharing lessons, tips and information. that is the reason for Ships of Scale.
the up front cost to do a TV series is so expensive SoS would never profit from it.
I'm what you would call an amateur model builder who hasngotten into wood models from plastic at firST, then card stock, now trying wood. I follow builds here on SOS, and the range of experience and advise available is terrific. And the willingness of others here to offer all that is terrific.
I don't think there are enough wooden modelers that a dedicated tv show would be feasible. But this is a great site
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This light hearted chatter has been really helpful to me. I’ve come to understand exactly what I value most in our hobby and from that I can concentrate on the things that matter and jettison all the other irrelevancies.
It’s given me a new lease of modelling life. Yippee-ky-ay!
It’s given me a new lease of modelling life. Yippee-ky-ay!
To put a finer point on the initial question raised, and to add to Dave's post #85 above:
A video series on ship modeling has been done by Philip Reed. With the passings of Norman Ough, Gerald Wingrove, and Donald McNarry, Reed is generally recognized, together with Lloyd McCaffery, as one of the two preeminent miniature ship modelers, at least in English-speaking world, still working today. (McCaffery has in recent years apparently abandoned ships for a variety of other subjects, notably miniature ship's figureheads and miniature dinosaur skeletons. Robert Wilson, FRSA, is happily still with us, but I understand he has retired from active modeling at this time. )
I urge those who are interested in the discussion in this thread to listen to Philip Reeds two YouTube series, Zen and The Art of Model Making - The Story of Philip Reed, Britain's Last Model Ship Maker Will Never Give Up the Craft, and Philip Reed's Ship Models which are not only great "ship model porn," but also a far more eloquent explanation of ship modeling as a fine art than any I could provide.
And to give credit where credit is due, I suggest watching this interesting fair-handed presentation contrasting kit modeling and scratch modeling:
I posted my thoughts on the subject of "spreading ship modeling to a wider audience" with the intention of stimulating a discussion of the art of ship modeling and it appears to have its intended effect! I think giving thought to the philosophy of what we do as ship modelers is a worthwhile thing. As "this wasn't my first rodeo," I expected the expression of a range of viewpoints, particularly those of modelers who focus their efforts on assembling model ship kits. It was not my intention to express any particular value judgment regarding kit assembling, which I consider the "gateway drug" to the art of ship modeling, if nothing else, and in its best examples, a worthy demonstration of technical skill and even artistic expression if the finish and presentation is recognized. While it is to be expected that kit assemblers are justifiably proud of their accomplishments, it was my hope to gently encourage those who had done a few kits to progress beyond the limits of the available kits on the market to building unique original ship models as historically accurate works of art. I realize that there are those who react defensively to the proposition that moving from kits to scratch building is a progression toward a higher level of artistic expression, offering various explanations for their own personal objections. They should disabuse themselves of the perception that I am critical of their endeavors and recognize that it was my hope to encourage them to expand their expressive horizons.
As most all ship modelers, I began building a number of kits in my youth and, inspired by the many models on display in museums and shipping company offices to which I was exposed as a child by a father in that business, I rather quickly found those masterpieces to be something to strive to create myself. I'm still chasing that quite possibly unattainable goal, but I am not frustrated by my own shortcomings because my interest in modeling has resulted in a life-long pursuit of my "personal best" and with each model built, or, in later years, restored, I have not been disappointed by a lack of improvement. The tremendous scope of maritime history and technology has ensured that the subject has always been fascinating to me. There is always so very much more to learn.
In fairness, I must explain that in my younger years, I concurrently learned to build traditional wooden watercraft, owning and maintaining my own until I physically "aged out" of that endeavor. I also worked part-time in a classic yacht brokerage which gave me a broad exposure to rigging and sailing a wide range of sailing vessel types. Consequently, I sometimes fail to fully appreciate the steepness of the learning curve ship modeling demands of newcomers, particularly scratch modeling, which in many ways is not just a steeper climb, but, for the less initiated, often an ascent that requires crawling across rickety ladders over bottomless crevasses! In my entire life, I've never lived longer than a ten-minute drive from water navigable to the open ocean and often within sight of it. I sometimes forget that many ship modelers have always lived far from ships and the sea and their accomplishments are far greater than mine on that account!
While obviously a subject upon which "reasonable minds may differ," I have long believed and continue to be convinced that the best way to encourage the pursuit of ship modeling is to pursue and present it as the fine art that it truly is in its highest form. Think of it like golf. Driving a bucket of balls at the range is always fun and few can realistically aspire to win the Masters, but we should all strive to lower our handicap if we are truly interested in pursuing the game seriously!
In terms of increasing participation in ship modeling, I'd be interested in hearing from any Eastern European ship modelers. There isn't as much communication between North American and Western European modelers and our Eastern European neighbors. It is my impression based on admittedly limited exposure that ship modeling is a much more developed and popular pursuit in the Eastern European countries than it is here and in Western Europe. Distinctively, Eastern European ship modeling is considered something of a rather popular competitive sport which seems to be a powerful motivator to those modelers. I have heard tell that some countries even subsidize ship modeling competitions and post prize purses for the competitions! What photos I've seen of their "good stuff" is very amazing. It appears the "sport" of ship modeling is thriving in Eastern Europe (tragic wars notwithstanding.) Here in America, it seems ship modeling has become somewhat less exciting due to what might be called the "everybody gets a prize for participating syndrome." Few here will ever express any constructive criticism of another's work for fear of hurt feelings or discouraging beginners. There's much to recommend a welcoming ethos, but how else can a beginner learn if their every effort is met with effusive, but frankly undeserved, praise.? Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
"Discuss among yourselves."
A video series on ship modeling has been done by Philip Reed. With the passings of Norman Ough, Gerald Wingrove, and Donald McNarry, Reed is generally recognized, together with Lloyd McCaffery, as one of the two preeminent miniature ship modelers, at least in English-speaking world, still working today. (McCaffery has in recent years apparently abandoned ships for a variety of other subjects, notably miniature ship's figureheads and miniature dinosaur skeletons. Robert Wilson, FRSA, is happily still with us, but I understand he has retired from active modeling at this time. )
I urge those who are interested in the discussion in this thread to listen to Philip Reeds two YouTube series, Zen and The Art of Model Making - The Story of Philip Reed, Britain's Last Model Ship Maker Will Never Give Up the Craft, and Philip Reed's Ship Models which are not only great "ship model porn," but also a far more eloquent explanation of ship modeling as a fine art than any I could provide.
And to give credit where credit is due, I suggest watching this interesting fair-handed presentation contrasting kit modeling and scratch modeling:
I posted my thoughts on the subject of "spreading ship modeling to a wider audience" with the intention of stimulating a discussion of the art of ship modeling and it appears to have its intended effect! I think giving thought to the philosophy of what we do as ship modelers is a worthwhile thing. As "this wasn't my first rodeo," I expected the expression of a range of viewpoints, particularly those of modelers who focus their efforts on assembling model ship kits. It was not my intention to express any particular value judgment regarding kit assembling, which I consider the "gateway drug" to the art of ship modeling, if nothing else, and in its best examples, a worthy demonstration of technical skill and even artistic expression if the finish and presentation is recognized. While it is to be expected that kit assemblers are justifiably proud of their accomplishments, it was my hope to gently encourage those who had done a few kits to progress beyond the limits of the available kits on the market to building unique original ship models as historically accurate works of art. I realize that there are those who react defensively to the proposition that moving from kits to scratch building is a progression toward a higher level of artistic expression, offering various explanations for their own personal objections. They should disabuse themselves of the perception that I am critical of their endeavors and recognize that it was my hope to encourage them to expand their expressive horizons.
As most all ship modelers, I began building a number of kits in my youth and, inspired by the many models on display in museums and shipping company offices to which I was exposed as a child by a father in that business, I rather quickly found those masterpieces to be something to strive to create myself. I'm still chasing that quite possibly unattainable goal, but I am not frustrated by my own shortcomings because my interest in modeling has resulted in a life-long pursuit of my "personal best" and with each model built, or, in later years, restored, I have not been disappointed by a lack of improvement. The tremendous scope of maritime history and technology has ensured that the subject has always been fascinating to me. There is always so very much more to learn.
In fairness, I must explain that in my younger years, I concurrently learned to build traditional wooden watercraft, owning and maintaining my own until I physically "aged out" of that endeavor. I also worked part-time in a classic yacht brokerage which gave me a broad exposure to rigging and sailing a wide range of sailing vessel types. Consequently, I sometimes fail to fully appreciate the steepness of the learning curve ship modeling demands of newcomers, particularly scratch modeling, which in many ways is not just a steeper climb, but, for the less initiated, often an ascent that requires crawling across rickety ladders over bottomless crevasses! In my entire life, I've never lived longer than a ten-minute drive from water navigable to the open ocean and often within sight of it. I sometimes forget that many ship modelers have always lived far from ships and the sea and their accomplishments are far greater than mine on that account!
While obviously a subject upon which "reasonable minds may differ," I have long believed and continue to be convinced that the best way to encourage the pursuit of ship modeling is to pursue and present it as the fine art that it truly is in its highest form. Think of it like golf. Driving a bucket of balls at the range is always fun and few can realistically aspire to win the Masters, but we should all strive to lower our handicap if we are truly interested in pursuing the game seriously!
In terms of increasing participation in ship modeling, I'd be interested in hearing from any Eastern European ship modelers. There isn't as much communication between North American and Western European modelers and our Eastern European neighbors. It is my impression based on admittedly limited exposure that ship modeling is a much more developed and popular pursuit in the Eastern European countries than it is here and in Western Europe. Distinctively, Eastern European ship modeling is considered something of a rather popular competitive sport which seems to be a powerful motivator to those modelers. I have heard tell that some countries even subsidize ship modeling competitions and post prize purses for the competitions! What photos I've seen of their "good stuff" is very amazing. It appears the "sport" of ship modeling is thriving in Eastern Europe (tragic wars notwithstanding.) Here in America, it seems ship modeling has become somewhat less exciting due to what might be called the "everybody gets a prize for participating syndrome." Few here will ever express any constructive criticism of another's work for fear of hurt feelings or discouraging beginners. There's much to recommend a welcoming ethos, but how else can a beginner learn if their every effort is met with effusive, but frankly undeserved, praise.? Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
"Discuss among yourselves."
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I have written many thousands of words in practical downloads, that are mostly available for less than the price of a cup of coffee. I am pleased to say that they are doing well, even though I have stopped building model ships because of various age-related health conditions. They are not as popular as other writers and model shipbuilders , because I do not cover warship modelling. I am now concentrating more on writing and plan production.
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ITo put a finer point on the initial question raised, and to add to Dave's post #85 above:
A video series on ship modeling has been done by Philip Reed. With the passings of Norman Ough, Gerald Wingrove, and Donald McNarry, Reed is generally recognized, together with Lloyd McCaffery, as one of the two preeminent miniature ship modelers, at least in English-speaking world, still working today. (McCaffery has in recent years apparently abandoned ships for a variety of other subjects, notably miniature ship's figureheads and miniature dinosaur skeletons. Robert Wilson, FRSA, is happily still with us, but I understand he has retired from active modeling at this time. )
I urge those who are interested in the discussion in this thread to listen to Philip Reeds two YouTube series, Zen and The Art of Model Making - The Story of Philip Reed, Britain's Last Model Ship Maker Will Never Give Up the Craft, and Philip Reed's Ship Models which are not only great "ship model porn," but also a far more eloquent explanation of ship modeling as a fine art than any I could provide.
And to give credit where credit is due, I suggest watching this interesting fair-handed presentation contrasting kit modeling and scratch modeling:
I posted my thoughts on the subject of "spreading ship modeling to a wider audience" with the intention of stimulating a discussion of the art of ship modeling and it appears to have its intended effect! I think giving thought to the philosophy of what we do as ship modelers is a worthwhile thing. As "this wasn't my first rodeo," I expected the expression of a range of viewpoints, particularly those of modelers who focus their efforts on assembling model ship kits. It was not my intention to express any particular value judgment regarding kit assembling, which I consider the "gateway drug" to the art of ship modeling, if nothing else, and in its best examples, a worthy demonstration of technical skill and even artistic expression if the finish and presentation is recognized. While it is to be expected that kit assemblers are justifiably proud of their accomplishments, it was my hope to gently encourage those who had done a few kits to progress beyond the limits of the available kits on the market to building unique original ship models as historically accurate works of art. I realize that there are those who react defensively to the proposition that moving from kits to scratch building is a progression toward a higher level of artistic expression, offering various explanations for their own personal objections. They should disabuse themselves of the perception that I am critical of their endeavors and recognize that it was my hope to encourage them to expand their expressive horizons.
As most all ship modelers, I began building a number of kits in my youth and, inspired by the many models on display in museums and shipping company offices to which I was exposed as a child by a father in that business, I rather quickly found those masterpieces to be something to strive to create myself. I'm still chasing that quite possibly unattainable goal, but I am not frustrated by my own shortcomings because my interest in modeling has resulted in a life-long pursuit of my "personal best" and with each model built, or, in later years, restored, I have not been disappointed by a lack of improvement. The tremendous scope of maritime history and technology has ensured that the subject has always been fascinating to me. There is always so very much more to learn.
In fairness, I must explain that in my younger years, I concurrently learned to build traditional wooden watercraft, owning and maintaining my own until I physically "aged out" of that endeavor. I also worked part-time in a classic yacht brokerage which gave me a broad exposure to rigging and sailing a wide range of sailing vessel types. Consequently, I sometimes fail to fully appreciate the steepness of the learning curve ship modeling demands of newcomers, particularly scratch modeling, which in many ways is not just a steeper climb, but, for the less initiated, often an ascent that requires crawling across rickety ladders over bottomless crevasses! In my entire life, I've never lived longer than a ten-minute drive from water navigable to the open ocean and often within sight of it. I sometimes forget that many ship modelers have always lived far from ships and the sea and their accomplishments are far greater than mine on that account!
While obviously a subject upon which "reasonable minds may differ," I have long believed and continue to be convinced that the best way to encourage the pursuit of ship modeling is to pursue and present it as the fine art that it truly is in its highest form. Think of it like golf. Driving a bucket of balls at the range is always fun and few can realistically aspire to win the Masters, but we should all strive to lower our handicap if we are truly interested in pursuing the game seriously!
In terms of increasing participation in ship modeling, I'd be interested in hearing from any Eastern European ship modelers. There isn't as much communication between North American and Western European modelers and our Eastern European neighbors. It is my impression based on admittedly limited exposure that ship modeling is a much more developed and popular pursuit in the Eastern European countries than it is here and in Western Europe. Distinctively, Eastern European ship modeling is considered something of a rather popular competitive sport which seems to be a powerful motivator to those modelers. I have heard tell that some countries even subsidize ship modeling competitions and post prize purses for the competitions! What photos I've seen of their "good stuff" is very amazing. It appears the "sport" of ship modeling is thriving in Eastern Europe (tragic wars notwithstanding.) Here in America, it seems ship modeling has become somewhat less exciting due to what might be called the "everybody gets a prize for participating syndrome." Few here will ever express any constructive criticism of another's work for fear of hurt feelings or discouraging beginners. There's much to recommend a welcoming ethos, but how else can a beginner learn if their every effort is met with effusive, but frankly undeserved, praise.? Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
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I was particularly interested to see the models of the Union-Castle liners in one of the U Tube videos shown above. Fantastic models, and I am proud to say that I sailed in the ships modelled for a number of years - Windsor Castle, Transvaal Castle, Edinburgh Castle, Pendennis Castle etc I thought it dreadful that the model shop owner actually threw out the plans of the Transvaal Castle, and it was fortunate that the model maker rescued them! The merchant navy was certainly a "cinderella" profession, despite having thousands of beautiful ships of all shapes, colours and sizes. Although I don't build models any more, I still take a very active part in promoting the hobby, with drawings, practicums and plans,and have built over 300 models myself in the past.
https://payhip.com/Shipbuilder/collection/miniature-merchant-ship-construction-history
https://payhip.com/Shipbuilder/collection/miniature-merchant-ship-construction-history
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In my entire life, I've never lived longer than a ten-minute drive from water navigable to the open ocean and often within sight of it. I sometimes forget that many ship modelers have always lived far from ships and the sea and their accomplishments are far greater than mine on that account!
Perhaps bring exposed to ships, boats and maritime industry at an early age deepens one's interest. Like Bob i live within a few miles of the shores of Lake Erie. My uncle worked for Samsel Supply a ship chandler that supplied the freighters coming in the port of Cleveland. Many, many times my uncle took me aboard the freighters and tugboats. or we sat and watched the huletts unload. Plus, the fact my uncle and dad had a boat and every weekend we were out on the lake.
soi kind of relate to bob's passion for ships.
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Here in America, it seems ship modeling has become somewhat less exciting due to what might be called the "everybody gets a prize for participating syndrome." Few here will ever express any constructive criticism of another's work for fear of hurt feelings or discouraging beginners. There's much to recommend a welcoming ethos, but how else can a beginner learn if their every effort is met with effusive, but frankly undeserved, praise.? Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
i saw this happen when posts like " your the captain of your ship model do what you want" or the "good job" or " that a boy nice work" when in fact ignoring glaring errors. In the past on a different forum i was warned several times for "hostel" posts when pointing out mistakes.
but then again, we have builders who don't care if it is right or wrong.
The consequence of this is the perpetuation of mediocrity and the loss of an art form.
there is no separation between a kit and scratch models
Every Model is an Individual Work of Art
When we look at a model at any level, we are guided by the proposition that every modeler's work is a creative work of art. Whether you model like Picasso, or DaVinci, it’s art and your interpretation of a real or imaginary subject. How each of us interprets a subject, and the techniques we use to bring our model to life, vary greatly. Much research and creativity go into what we do. Most newer model kits produced today are multi-media, containing as many different materials and finishes as you can imagine, and if built well, can produce a result in which the builder takes enormous pride. As a model approaches and/or crosses the finish line how do we as the builder, or another modeler, give it a fair evaluation? As the builder, it is hard to self-critique. If your model came out looking like you envisioned, then you should take great pride in what you have accomplished. If you intend to build the model for competition, you should look deeper, because the judge will. If you’re a judge you may like the model too. Then again, you may not. It might be too weathered for your taste, or have panels open with live ordnance! To fairly and objectively evaluate the model you both have to start at the same place – “The Basics”.
When we say "The Basics, we are talking fit and finish. There are the ABCs of good model building. As the builder, you need “attention to detail” and should continually evaluate your model throughout the build. If you are building for fun, then go for it! No one builds the Mona Lisa every time. If you are building to win, practice makes perfect. If you play golf once a year, we’re talking to you!
Perhaps bring exposed to ships, boats and maritime industry at an early age deepens one's interest. Like Bob i live within a few miles of the shores of Lake Erie. My uncle worked for Samsel Supply a ship chandler that supplied the freighters coming in the port of Cleveland. Many, many times my uncle took me aboard the freighters and tugboats. or we sat and watched the huletts unload. Plus, the fact my uncle and dad had a boat and every weekend we were out on the lake.
soi kind of relate to bob's passion for ships.
Cleveland, OH: Saving the Hulett Ore Unloaders and C&P (Whiskey Island) Dock
(see below for satellite information) (Update: photos of the dock before Huletts were developed ) Nov 2023 update: safe_image for Historic ...
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Here in America, it seems ship modeling has become somewhat less exciting due to what might be called the "everybody gets a prize for participating syndrome." Few here will ever express any constructive criticism of another's work for fear of hurt feelings or discouraging beginners. There's much to recommend a welcoming ethos, but how else can a beginner learn if their every effort is met with effusive, but frankly undeserved, praise.? Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
i saw this happen when posts like " your the captain of your ship model do what you want" or the "good job" or " that a boy nice work" when in fact ignoring glaring errors. In the past on a different forum i was warned several times for "hostel" posts when pointing out mistakes.
but then again, we have builders who don't care if it is right or wrong.
The consequence of this is the perpetuation of mediocrity and the loss of an art form.
there is no separation between a kit and scratch models
Every Model is an Individual Work of Art
When we look at a model at any level, we are guided by the proposition that every modeler's work is a creative work of art. Whether you model like Picasso, or DaVinci, it’s art and your interpretation of a real or imaginary subject. How each of us interprets a subject, and the techniques we use to bring our model to life, vary greatly. Much research and creativity go into what we do. Most newer model kits produced today are multi-media, containing as many different materials and finishes as you can imagine, and if built well, can produce a result in which the builder takes enormous pride. As a model approaches and/or crosses the finish line how do we as the builder, or another modeler, give it a fair evaluation? As the builder, it is hard to self-critique. If your model came out looking like you envisioned, then you should take great pride in what you have accomplished. If you intend to build the model for competition, you should look deeper, because the judge will. If you’re a judge you may like the model too. Then again, you may not. It might be too weathered for your taste, or have panels open with live ordnance! To fairly and objectively evaluate the model you both have to start at the same place – “The Basics”.
When we say "The Basics, we are talking fit and finish. There are the ABCs of good model building. As the builder, you need “attention to detail” and should continually evaluate your model throughout the build. If you are building for fun, then go for it! No one builds the Mona Lisa every time. If you are building to win, practice makes perfect. If you play golf once a year, we’re talking to you!
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Now that's something we agree on Dave. I've been a member of several modelling forums over the last twenty years and some, like SoS are primarily intended to be social meeting places rather than centres for the promotion of excellence. The results are as you describe. Others are more fiercely critical and drive new members away in shame. It strikes me that both approaches could be entertained in a forum. It would be necessary to double up the build log sub forums with one set headlined Post at your own risk - Savage Criticism is Compulsory Here and the other entitled For Encouragement Purposes only - Negative Comments Forbidden.
Unfortunately since SoS members already post their build logs in various places such as the Introduce Yourself, the General Topics, even the Practice Testing Your Post Here sub-forums, it would take a major effort for the mods to keep it all under control.
Maybe it works better to send criticism as a message that only the builder can see?
Then he can choose whether he wants to use the advice and perhaps take them up himself in a construction thread.
I often write that I want opinions on what I am building or thinking about.
Then he can choose whether he wants to use the advice and perhaps take them up himself in a construction thread.
I often write that I want opinions on what I am building or thinking about.
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Maybe only criticise when the poster clearly requests it, (and always constructively and politely).
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Now that's something we agree on Dave. I've been a member of several modelling forums over the last twenty years and some, like SoS are primarily intended to be social meeting places rather than centres for the promotion of excellence. The results are as you describe. Others are more fiercely critical and drive new members away in shame. It strikes me that both approaches could be entertained in a forum. It would be necessary to double up the build log sub forums with one set headlined Post at your own risk - Savage Criticism is Compulsory Here and the other entitled For Encouragement Purposes only - Negative Comments Forbidden.
i remember way back i was a judge for a model ship contest and back then kit builders and scratch builders were a separate class. Even here we have the two separate.
what we should have is a master class category which included kit and scratch and everything in between. It should be noted if you post in the master class even a beginner wanting to improve beware Savage Criticism may occur and that is how you learn.
Maybe it works better to send criticism as a message that only the builder can see?
the point of criticism or point out errors is for everyone's advancement so i should go public.
i remember way back i was a judge for a model ship contest and back then kit builders and scratch builders were a separate class. Even here we have the two separate.
what we should have is a master class category which included kit and scratch and everything in between. It should be noted if you post in the master class even a beginner wanting to improve beware Savage Criticism may occur and that is how you learn.
Maybe it works better to send criticism as a message that only the builder can see?
the point of criticism or point out errors is for everyone's advancement so i should go public.
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Hello ubjs, lived experience on SOS, I have always made myself available with books and projects ,only for the purpose of didare correct news but, I was almost banned and even some verbal threats in all this I said to myself “but who makes me do it”.There are decent people and thank you and then there are the “PROFESSORS” who do not accept that I enter their yard.Frank
Is it possible that the competitive ethos of the Eastern European ship modeling community actually encourages participation, rather than discouraging it?
That may be a very good idea. Imagine a group of modellers, all working on the same model, comparing them when they have finished and then vote together for 'the best' one. Same as a group build, but with a very simple, inexpensive kit so that also total beginners have a chance to end up with a decent build, while more experienced builders can improve their models to their hearts content. And all that while helping each other along on this very forum. I am thinking of a model like the 'Trabaccolo' from Amati, small, simple, original, fun and cheap. For such a model, no one should need more than 200 work hours, so the deadline for submitting should be max.1 year after starting the contest.
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That may be a very good idea. Imagine a group of modellers, all working on the same model, comparing them when they have finished and then vote together for 'the best' one. Same as a group build, but with a very simple, inexpensive kit so that also total beginners have a chance to end up with a decent build, while more experienced builders can improve their models to their hearts content. And all that while helping each other along on this very forum. I am thinking of a model like the 'Trabaccolo' from Amati, small, simple, original, fun and cheap. For such a model, no one should need more than 200 work hours, so the deadline for submitting should be max.1 year after starting the contest.
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