Clipper Ship Build Thoughts

Wow. That's an interesting bit of information.

Bill
The first mate did his ‘palaver’ about the history of clipper ships during off hours . Seriously: look into Stad Amsterdam, if only to learn about modern age old fashioned clipper sailing. And no, I don’t have shares, only four times sailing memories.

All four times I sailed as a junior hand / guest (at the time being 50-55 ) and enjoyed it tremendously.

You’ll learn all the ropes and yards and sails. And get to do all that a professional sailor does. Including watch: 4 hours sailing, four hours chores, four hours sleep.
 
The Stad Amsterdam is a truly beautiful clipper. I'm pretty sure I saw her when I was in Rotterdam around five years ago.

Bill
 
In many cases...you would spend 80,000 on a clipper....than sell its cargo for 3~4 times that...sell the clipper in California and make a killing. Most cases...the fore cases were rare, but you'd then sail to China(if you could find a crew) and make a killing on a tea run back.
This kinda gambling had a short life span...but it did make some very wealthy.
Many of the tenant housing round SF were built from salvaged clippers and packets.

Rob
 
Ed Tosti is both a master builder and great teacher/author. You cannot go wrong with his books and plans as he has done all the research for anyone wanting to build this ship plus he shows how to do everything, piece by piece, step by step. His photos and explanations on the internet are also a great help.
Allan
Agreed. Best bet. Flying Cloud leaves a lot to conjecture and sweat equity. Bradner's final model leaves the whole bow assembly, stem, cutwater, naval hoods and figurehead unfinished. On the upside, a lot of imagination, personal research and originality are left to the builder. Thumbsup
William Webb also designed the Harriet Lane, a subject of great interest of late and some great build log examples on SOS. There is another Ed Tosti based build log in progress on SOS currently of high quality.
 
I took a completely different approach. I started with the Sergal kit of the Cutty Sark. I then extensively kit bashed it as the plans and many of the details were frankly incorrect. Using Longridge’s book which is extremely detailed and Underhill’s book Mastibg and Rigging of the Clipper Ship and Ocean Carrier I could crest a highly detailed and accurate model. Plus the ship still exists and countless photos are available to fill in details. Just my .02 worth. Lou

BTW the project took a total of 12 years to complete!
 
Having, like yourself I suspect, a romantic attraction to the most legendary of all clipper ships (IMHO) the Flying Cloud, imagine my excitement at finding Scott Bradner's plans online. He chose to use the Mamoli kit as a point of departure as it is the only kit currently available of the ship. I had been saving an old Bluejacket pre-carved hull for the purpose. I now wish I had started with that, given the endless headaches of bashing the Mamoli offering into something close to Bradner's and the old Bluejacket plans (still available) which are far superior to what Mamoli has to offer. Bradner, as it turns out has based much of his conclusions on the Horace Boucher 1916 model, which, while beautiful, is as much a product of conjecture that subsequent models of Flying Cloud appear to be heir to. As you are aware, I have had to do an extensive amount of retro-surgery, re-modeling, re-painting and redesigning of my model to bring it into some semblance of the physical design and appearance of the ship brought to light by other contributors who have offered well researched and compelling arguments for the actual appearance, design and construction peculiar to Donald Mckay's ships
These have compelled me to depart from some critical aspects of Scott Bradner's offerings, markedly changing the look of my model from his and others I found to be compelling and attractive.
I have seen an old complete BlueJacket kit on Ebay for $400. You can still get a complete set of fittings for Flying Cloud from BlueJacket in1:96 scale including a nice figurehead which can spare you the considerable task of making your own. The old BlueJacket plans are still the best, but still require some alterations to bring them into compliance with the latest research.
rwiederrick and ClipperFan have provided the most useful and comprehensive information and advice for building a model of Flying Cloud (or pretty much any McKay clipper, for that matter) on my build log, that I have had the good fortune to become acquainted with as a result of my pursuit of modelling the ship.
A caveat: I do not recommend my own efforts as an example to follow. While some details and ideas may (I hope) prove useful, I think it best that you start from scratch and develop your own distinct approach. I am sure, that in retrospect, I will see some ideas and techniques that you arrive at, and think "Why didn't I think of that?" That is if you choose to build Flying Cloud. I also built the old 1955 Model Shipways "Young America" in gallery#12, Mis-labeled (as you will, no doubt, notice) "Issac" not William Webb as the builder. That I offered as a "builder's" style model with stub masts and very abbreviated rigging. Saved about a year of work. Scott Bradner chose to finish his Flying Cloud the same way.
 
Why not widen your search. Possiblr the most beautiful clippers ever built were the composite clippers buillt on the Clyde and at Aberdeen. Take a look at Ariel, Thermopylae or Titiana and study MscGreggor's book The Trea Clippers. The Cutty Sark is now so well known and over modelled that you should not build her but she does look good - see the attached file.

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Why not widen your search. Possiblr the most beautiful clippers ever built were the composite clippers buillt on the Clyde and at Aberdeen. Take a look at Ariel, Thermopylae or Titiana and study MscGreggor's book The Trea Clippers. The Cutty Sark is now so well known and over modelled that you should not build her but she does look good - see the attached file.

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I fully agree that CS is over modeled. But I disagree that her and her kin were the most beautiful clippers ever built. Since CS is the only living fully restored clipper available to view…..we tend to fixate on her and mentally relinquish incontestable beauty upon her. Clippers found their origin in America and CS’s cousins across the sea were much larger(2-3 times) and were in many instances more impressive and faster. Since we have no surviving examples, CS wins by default. But only in one’s own mind.

Rob
 
I am planning on a scratch build of a clipper ship. Lately there has been a lot of posts regarding clipper ships. This has peaked my interest. I find that I really like the lines of the clippers. I also find schooners attractive. My thoughts for a build will be the Ed Tosti Young America or the Scott Bradner Flying Could plans. The build will be a POB. The Ed Tosti plans are beautiful and I have the books to go along with the plans. Having the books will greatly aide me in construction. I have also gotten a set of the Scott Bradner's Flying Cloud plans. These plans appear to be a very complete set of plans. At this time, because I find both ships appealing, I am stuck in the middle as far as a decision on which to build.

Would anyone have any thoughts, opinions or suggestions as to which to choose.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Bill
Bill,

Good luck with your endeavor. You note excellent sources. I am also considering Young America, but have a long standing admiration for Flying Cloud. This is has led to 4 models of her from my desk and this is the 3rd, in a 5 liter bottle. It was partly inspired by the wonderful Boucher model of the clipper in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. I hope you will enjoy the journey.

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Bill,

Good luck with your endeavor. You note excellent sources. I am also considering Young America, but have a long standing admiration for Flying Cloud. This is has led to 4 models of her from my desk and this is the 3rd, in a 5 liter bottle. It was partly inspired by the wonderful Boucher model of the clipper in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. I hope you will enjoy the journey.

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Do you have, and can you share photos of your other three models of her?
 
Hello Alex,
Very nice work on your Flying Cloud. I would love to see your work on your other ships. My main concern with building the Flying Cloud is being able to build a historically correct representation of the ship. Ed Tosts’s plans, books and CD’s give a person everything they would need to build a great ship.

Bill
 
Hello Alex,
Very nice work on your Flying Cloud. I would love to see your work on your other ships. My main concern with building the Flying Cloud is being able to build a historically correct representation of the ship. Ed Tosts’s plans, books and CD’s give a person everything they would need to build a great ship.

Bill
Except Ed's SKILL.... that, you'll need in spades.
I hope you settle on something you will find the most rewarding. Honestly...the model is only part of the satisfaction I seek.....I find nearly as much enjoyment in researching as building clippers no one else is willing to tackle. Part of my personal pride is knowing visitors will not be tempted to say, *I built one of those, once*.

Donald McKay being my most favorite clipper builder, built, 18 extreme clippers and 15 medium clippers...not to mention 5 other extreme minor clippers under a 1000 tons. Many of those deserve recognition in their own right. so what is one to do.....? Research and build it from scratch.
Unfortunately....very few can, or have the desire to go off the rails and be a lunatic.
I'm looking forward to what ever vessel you decide to build...and I'll follow along if permitted.

Rob
 
Bill,

Good luck with your endeavor. You note excellent sources. I am also considering Young America, but have a long standing admiration for Flying Cloud. This is has led to 4 models of her from my desk and this is the 3rd, in a 5 liter bottle. It was partly inspired by the wonderful Boucher model of the clipper in the Boston Museum of Fine Arts. I hope you will enjoy the journey.

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THAT, my friend is a magnificent rendering of Flying Cloud in a bottle. I applaud your fine work...
Rob
 
Hi Rob,

I agree with you in that I find that performing research to be very fulfilling. I as you also do not want build a ship that has been built many times over. I am about to get off my thumbs and make a decision. I find that is my hardest decision to make. When I do, I will be sure to start a build thread and I would hope you will follow along. As I have said before, I am new to this hobby, but not to scratch building. There are so many beautiful ships waiting to be built, but then again I have recently retired.

Bill
 
Hi Peter,
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m looking forward to getting started. I’ve actually spent about a year on research just to decide what I wanted to build. It will be great to get started.

Bill
 
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