Dave, Joseph and now donnie, MY COMENTS TO DAVE, YES YOU ARE THE LEADER, ABSOLUTLY AND CREDIT IS GIVEN TO YOU BY THE ONES IN THE KNOW AND YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE, so continue you yourself and Winston had a discussion sometime ago on the project forum on MSB, as i got the crus of the results it seems like, you both came to the conclsion that that is the way it is in this global world, you said it yourself get the project out be the first take the sales and if the copy cats take it go to the next one,,,, I FOR ONE HAVE PURCHASED A CHINESE KIT BUT PROBALLY NOT USE ZHL, as I think I got ripped off in one of there cheaper models, IF I BY FROM THEM IT IS SIMPLY THE TYPE OF MODEL IS AVAILABLE NOW WHERE ELSE AND TRY TO STAY WITH SOME OF THERE ORIGINAL CONCEPTS, like the ribbed May flower, or the X sections of the vessels like PETER THE GREAT FLAGSHIP, DO I CONDONE THIS NO I DO NOT AND WILL BY FROM THE LUMBERYARD BEFORE ANYPLACE ELSE, if what i want is avaiable, ( THIS REMINDS ME OF SOMETHING THAT HAPENED MANY YEARS AGO aT LEAST 50 years ago, it conerned my Dad who was in the ARMY AIR FORCE IN WWII, in BURMA, but had a really bad complex feeling toward GERMANY AT THAT TIME AND PERHAPS IT NEVER LEFT HIM, but as an engineer and a car entuaste he bought a MERCEDES DISEL, to ask him why was a NO, NO) MY THOUGHTS WAS IT WAS THE BEST OUT THERE FOR THE PRICE),,,back on topic TO DAVE, JOE, DONNIE, MIKE 41 etc continue the process but quickly as not get second fiddel, new products new concepts in building, and quality materials, you will not stop these people but you can cut into there niche, more time should be spent and better coordination to get the projects out is a nescity, you all know the market we all do, cater to that market and produce quality products tha are quick builds say 3 to 6 mos not years inovation will rule, and to JOESPH COMENTS YES YOU ARE CORECT IN WHAT YOU SAY, LOOK AT HOW MANY COs BUILD THE BLUENOSE, VICTORY, CUTTY SARKS IT IS ENDLESS, adoubt or fail AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT BUILT TO FAIL, WE WHO LOVE THIS HOBY DEPEND ON WHAT YOU COME UP WITH AND DO NOT WORRY IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN IDEA FROM THE CHINESE AND USE IT, as I know the subject of costs come up, BUT AS YOU SEE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SPEND A WOLE LOT OF MONEY FOR WHAT THEY WANT ( I CAN NOT AND WOULD NOT PAY THOSE PRICES< BUT WILL SPEND QUITE A BIT FOR WHAT I WANT, much more then I have been, MY THOUGHTS AS ALWAYS, LET ME HERE FROM YOU. Don