Dahai Model - New Design Hms Minerva 1780 POF Stern section

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Hi everyone!
I'm DaHaimodel,In fact, DahaiModel is a team of 3D designers, ModelBuilder and ship model experts from Europe and China. Dahaimodel is committed to developing original and legitimate kit projects, cooperating with SOS forum to promote these projects, and sharing the fun of model development and model build with all enthusiasts (members).
First of all, I would like to thank SOS forum for providing such a good platform. I would also like to thank zoly99sask, Uwek, Jimsky and Donnie for their great support and help in this project, they providing a lot of historical research materials and modification opinions. Many thanks to them!

The first time I saw a picture of the HMS Minerva 1780 model was in the magazine Model ShipWright. I was attracted by her beautiful stern carvings. Later, I learned that the model from US Naval Academy Museum is the reference prototype of this model.

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Model ShipWright magazine and HMS Minerva 1780 model made by Malcolm Darch.

(Note: the copyright belongs to the original author, we did not refer to this model to develop kit，We developed the kit with full reference to the original drawings and model photos of NMM. We purchased the license of NMM)

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The original draught of NMM collection,

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The model of HMS Minerva 1780 collected by NMM.

Uwek has done a lot of research on Minerva's history and collected a lot of information. Here is the history of Minerva he collected.Many thanks to him!
The Minerva-class sailing frigates were a series of four ships built to a 1778 design by Sir Edward Hunt, which served in the Royal Navy during the latter decades of the eighteenth century.

During the early stages of the American Revolutionary War, the Royal Navy - while well supplied with ships from earlier programs, but faced with coastal operations and trade protection tasks along the American littoral - ordered numerous forty-four gun, two-decked ships and thirty-two gun 12-pounder armed frigates. Anticipating the entry of European powers into the war, and with renewed resistance provided by the large, nine hundred ton, thirty-two gun 12-pounder armed frigates of the French Navy, the RN looked to a newer larger design of frigate to meet this challenge. From November 1778 larger frigates with a heavier 18-pounder primary armament were ordered.

They were the first Royal Navy frigates designed to be armed with the eighteen-pounder cannon on their upper deck, the main gun deck of a frigate. Before coming into service, their designed secondary armament was augmented, with 9-pounder guns being substituted for the 6-pounder guns originally planned, and with ten 18-pounder carronades being added (six on the quarter deck and four on the forecastle). The type eventually proved successful, and went on to be virtually the standard frigate type during the latter periods of the age of sail.

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Ships in class
  • HMS Minerva
    • Builder: Woolwich Dockyard
    • Ordered: 6 November 1778
    • Laid down: November 1778
    • Launched: 3 June 1780
    • Completed: 6 July 1780
    • Fate: Fitted as a troopship and renamed Pallas 29 May 1798; broken up March 1803 at Chatham Dockyard.
  • HMS Arethusa
    • Builder: James Martin Hilhouse, Bristol
    • Ordered: 26 January 1779
    • Laid down: 23 August 1779
    • Launched: 10 April 1781
    • Fate: Broken up May 1815 at Sheerness Dockyard.
  • HMS Phaeton
    • Builder: John Smallshaw, Liverpool.
    • Ordered: 3 March 1780
    • Laid down: June 1780
    • Launched: 12 June 1782
    • Completed: 27 December 1782 at Plymouth Dockyard.
    • Fate: Sold to break up 26 March 1828
  • HMS Thetis
    • Builder: John Randall, Rotherhithe.
    • Ordered: 22 September 1781
    • Laid down: December 1781
    • Launched: 23 September 1782
    • Completed: 15 November 1782 at Deptford Dockyard.
    • Fate: Sold 9 June 1814 at Chatham Dockyard.

in the following days I will show much more details of the different ships and also the available contemporary drawings and models representing the very interesting class


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Minerva-class frigate - Wikipedia​


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British Fifth Rate frigate 'Minerva' (1780)​

British Fifth Rate frigate 'Minerva' (1780). Dates of service, name changes, previous and next incarnations, dimensions, armament, commanders, officers and crewmen, actions, battles, sources
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HMS Minerva was a 38-gun fifth-rate Royal Navy frigate. The first of four Minerva-class frigates, she was launched on 3 June 1780, and commissioned soon thereafter. In 1798 she was renamed Pallas and employed as a troopship. She was broken up in 1803.

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Service as HMS Minerva
Captain Charles Fielding commissioned Minerva in April 1780, for the Channel. At some point Minerva captured the French brig Jupiter. Between 24 and 27 December 1780, Minerva captured the Thomas en Jank, the Yonge Frone Teglaar, and the Zeepost.

On 11 April 1781, Minerva was serving with Vice-Admiral George Darby's Channel Fleet off Cape St Vincent when the British spotted three vessels. Darby sent Alexander, Foudroyant, and Minerva in pursuit, but the three vessels, which turned out to be enemy frigates, made it safely to Cadiz. Some time thereafter vessels of the Fleet made attacks on some gunboats, during which Minerva had some men badly wounded. Minerva was among the many ships of Darby's Fleet that shared in the prize money for the capture of Duc de Chartres, the Spanish frigate Santa Leocadia, and the French brig Trois Amis.

The next day, Darby's squadron of 29 ships of the line, and the 100 store ships from England laden for the relief of Gibraltar that they were escorting, entered the bay there. Later, on 9 June Minerva sailed with the Lisbon trade.

On 9 October 1781, Minerva, Monsieur, Flora, and Crocodile captured the American privateer Hercules. The next day Minerva and Monsieur captured the American privateer Jason.

In early 1782 Captain the Honourable Thomas Pakenham assumed command of Minerva. On 11 March 1782, Minerva and Daphne captured the brig Pearl off Oporto.

On 28 October Minerva was among the British ships that shared in the capture of the Dutch East Indiaman Young Susanna, off Ceylon.

Minerva was present at the action off Cuddalore on 20 June 1783, but as a transport she was not involved in the fighting. As a storeship she was transporting military stores and provisions in support of the British army which was planning to attack Cuddalore.

Recommissioned in 1790 under Captain Robert Sutton, she sailed for the East Indies on 27 December. In the beginning of November 1791, Minerva, Commodore William Cornwallis, accompanied by the 36-gun frigate Phoenix, Captain Sir Richard Strachan, and Perseverance, Captain Isaac Smith, was in the roads at Tellicherry, a fort and anchorage situated a few leagues south of Mangalore. Phoenix was ordered to stop and search the French frigate Résolue, which was escorting a number of merchant ships believed to be carrying military supplies to support Tippu Sultan. Résolue resisted Phoenix and a brief fight ensued before Résolue struck her colours. The French captain insisted on considering his ship as a British prize, so Cornwallis ordered Strachan to tow her into Mahé and return her to the French commodore.

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French Revolutionary Wars
In 1793, Captain J. Whitby took command of Minerva, which was flying Rear Admiral Cornwallis's flag. On 24 June she took the ship Citoyen off Cuddalore.

From 1 August 1793, together with three East Indiamen — Triton, Warley, and Royal Charlotte — Minerva blockaded the Port of Pondicherry while the army besieged the fort. The governor initially refused to surrender, so on 20 August the British began a bombardment. The governor surrendered the town on 23 August. During the siege, Minerva, with the admiral on board, chased off the French frigate Sybile, which had attempted to reach the town. Sybille had had 150 artillerymen on board so chasing her off was helpful to the siege. The British vessels also captured a vessel "from the islands" that was bringing in military supplies.

Minerva returned to Britain and was paid off in April 1794. In July 1795, Captain Thomas Peyton recommissioned her for service in Strachan's squadron, which was attached to the main British fleet.

In September 1796 Gilbert Elliot, the British viceroy of the Anglo-Corsican Kingdom, decided that it was necessary to clear out Capraja, which belonged to the Genoese and which served as a base for privateers. He sent Lord Nelson in Captain, together with Gorgon, Vanneau, the cutter Rose, and troops of the 51st Regiment of Foot to accomplish this task in September. On their way, Minerva joined them. The troops landed on 18 September and the island surrendered immediately. On 27 September, Minerva was in company with the hired armed cutter Lady Jane when they captured two Spanish vessels, the Santa Francisco Xavier and the Nostra Senora de la Miserecordia.

On 13 November 1796, Minerva and Melampus, encountered the French corvette Etonnant off Barfleur and drove her ashore. Etonnant carried eighteen 18-pounders and was a new vessel on her first cruise. She was carrying naval and military stores from Havre to Brest.

On 19 April 1797, the hired armed cutter Grand Falconer with Diamond, Minerva, Cynthia] and Camilla in company, captured the American ship Favourite.[18] Later that month, Diamond and Minerva grounded near Cape Barfleur and both had to be docked for repairs when they returned to port.

Still, in October Minerva and Lively captured the Marselloise as she was sailing from Guadeloupe to France. They then took the richly laden former Sugar Cane into Martinique.

Service as troopship HMS Pallas
Between July 1797 and May 1798, the Admiralty converted Minerva into a troopship armed en flûte and renamed her Pallas. Pallas, the lead ship of the Pallas-class frigates, had just been wrecked, freeing the name. Captain John Mackellar recommissioned Pallas in February 1798.

In May 1798, Pallas (though still known as Minerva in the dispatches) participated in Home Popham's expedition to Ostend. The British Army force of about 1,300 were landed to destroy the locks and sluice gates on the Bruges canal to prevent the French from moving gunboats and transports from Flushing to Ostend and Dunkirk for an invasion of Britain. Although the British succeeded in damaging the sluice gates, the evacuation of the contingent failed due to bad weather and they were captured. The French also captured Mackellar and his boat crew.

Commander Joseph Edmunds took over as captain in July. On 20 May 1800, Pallas was in the squadron under the command of Vice-Admiral Lord Keith, off Genoa. Keith was blockading and bombarding Genoa when he decided to send in boats under the cover of the bombardment to try to cut-out some armed French vessels. At 1am on the 21st the boats succeeded in boarding, carrying, and bringing off the largest galley, the Prima. She had fifty oars and a crew of 257 men, and was under the command of Captain Patrizio Galleano. She was armed with two brass 36-pounder guns and had 30 brass swivel guns stored below deck, together with a large quantity of side arms and small arms. The British suffered only four men wounded, one of whom was from Pallas.

Then on 30 May, Pallas recaptured the English (Minorcan) tartane Rosario, which was sailing from Leghorn to Minorca, in ballast. Two days later Pallas captured a Ragusan ship sailing from Leghorn to Barcelona with a cargo of sundries. On 7 June Pallas captured the Ardita off the coast of Italy. Amongst other cargo she was carrying statuary.

From 8 August 1801, Pallas was involved in transporting a portion of the British Army under General Coote from Cairo to the west of Alexandria. The Siege of Alexandria ended on 30 August with the capitulation of Alexandria. Because Pallas served in the navy's Egyptian campaign (8 March to 8 September 1801), her officers and crew qualified for the clasp "Egypt" to the Naval General Service Medal that the Admiralty issued in 1847 to all surviving claimants.

Fate
Pallas was paid off in May 1802 and put in ordinary. She was broken up at Chatham in March 1803.

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In the following I show the drawings and model which can be directly found under the Minerva in the NMM

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Lines & Profile (ZAZ2502)

also valid for Arethusa and Phaeton
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Upper deck plan (ZAZ2504)

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Deck, Quarter & Forecastle (ZAZ2505)

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Lower deck plan (ZAZ2503)


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Scale: 1:48. A contemporary full hull model 'Minerva' (1780), a 38-gun frigate, built in 'bread and butter' fashion, planked and finished in the Georgian style. Model is partially decked, equipped and mounted on modern hull crutches. It has been identified by comparison to the original ship plans held in the NMM collection, as well as by the presence of a carved owl on the stern decoration, a figure associated with the 'Minerva’. Built at the Royal Dockyard, Woolwich, it had a gun deck length of 141 feet by 39 feet in the beam and a tonnage of 940 (builders old measurement). The 'Minerva’ was the first of a group of five 38-gun frigates built with identical dimensions. It took part in Admiral William Hotham’s action off Genoa in 1795 and was later renamed 'Pallas’ in 1798. It was eventually sold for breaking up in 1803.

Information about the model:
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Collections - National Maritime Museum


The english modeler Malcom Darch built during a period of 3 years in 6.500 hours a beautiful model of the HMS Minerva for an american collector
An article of this model was published in the "Shipwright 2012" and was shown also in the cover of the book

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you can find also some information of this model here:

https://charlesmiller.blob.core.windows.net/media/Country-Life-April-20-2011.pdf

Existing contemporary drawings of the HMS Thetis 1782

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Lines (ZAZ2327)

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Inboard profile plan (ZAZ2329)

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Deck, Quarter & Forecastle (ZAZ2333)

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Lower deck plan (ZAZ2331)

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Upper deck plan (ZAZ2332)

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Platform (ZAZ2330)

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Frame (ZAZ2328)
 
Design of Minerva project
We plan to develop Minerva into a POF kit, but we will not rule out releasing the POB version in the future.

Before the start of this project, SOS forum helped us get in touch with NMM and proposed to NMM a commercial license to purchase the original draughts. We got a written license (contract) from NMM, so we developed this project based on the draughts of NMM.

In the first stage, we will release the stern section kit, which looks like the model of magazine cover. However, our kit will be POF, then bow section / mid section, and finally full POF kit. I plan that these three models can also form a complete POF model.

We use 3D software to restore her hull.

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We restored her frame work according to the Navy's 18th century shipbuilding principles,

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Finally, what we want to bring you is a model kit like the one below.（(Note: the copyright belongs to the original author, we did not refer to it to develop kit)

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Of course, if you have enough creativity, you can transform her into this style.（(Note: the copyright belongs to the original author, we did not refer to it to develop kit)

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Or so it is,（(Note: the copyright belongs to the original author, we did not refer to it to develop kit)

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Classic Georgian style will be essential.（(Note: the copyright belongs to the original author, we did not refer to it to develop kit)

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We have designed a set of carvings for her, which is based on the original draught style , which is different from that of the Museum of the U.S. Naval Academy. If you want to transform it into the style of the American Museum yourself, of course, there is no issue. We are also try to contact with the American Museum. If we can get their permission, I can develop a set of carvings in that style. If any enthusiastic member can help us obtain(buy) such licence, please tell me or administrator, we will appreciate your help verymuch.

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The first phase of the design work is coming to an end. The verification of the real model will begin in December. We will show you the buildlog,thank you!

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WOW!! This is such great news, DaHai! It sounds like an awesome project! Actually, a number of great projects based on the same ship!

We would like to know as much about the actual kit design as possible. Will the kit designed based on CNC or Laser cut? What timber planned to use? Will the kit has image-based instruction only? What level of skills will require for such projects?
We hope that you will show us the pilot model build process, or parts of the process! :) Obviously, we would love to know when the first kit, based on the stern section, planning to be released.
 
Jimsky said:
WOW!! This is such great news, DaHai! It sounds like an awesome project! Actually, a number of great projects based on the same ship!

We would like to know as much about the actual kit design as possible. Will the kit designed based on CNC or Laser cut? What timber planned to use? Will the kit has image-based instruction only? What level of skills will require for such projects?
We hope that you will show us the pilot model build process, or parts of the process! :) Obviously, we would love to know when the first kit, based on the stern section, planning to be released.
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Thank you very much Jimsky! The actual kit will use CNC and laser processing method. At present, pear wood and boxwood are considered. Because the price will be very close to cherry wood, cherry wood version is not considered for the moment. In fact, we have started some model validation work, and will release the build log of the model in the near future. Due to the application of CNC technology, modeler does not need high skills. As long as they are patient and careful, they will enjoy the fun of assembly, rather than milling and remilling, because the milling work will be done by the machine.

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The parts you see have hardly been polished by hand, that is to say, the parts provided by kit are what you see.However, these components are not expensive, and may be close to the traditional kit products on the market. Most importantly, all these products are designed and processed by legally licensed software.

Thank you!
 
Some time ago I made a special topic based on the research we did together for the HMS MINERVA (1789) and her sisterships.

The Minerva-class sailing frigates were a series of four ships HMS Minerva (1780), HMS Arethusa (1781), HMS Phaeton (1782), HMS Thetis (1782) built to a 1778 design by Sir Edward Hunt, which served in the Royal Navy during the latter decades of the eighteenth century.

During the early stages of the American Revolutionary War, the Royal Navy - while well supplied with ships from earlier programs, but faced with coastal operations and trade protection tasks along the American littoral - ordered numerous forty-four gun, two-decked ships and thirty-two gun 12-pounder armed frigates. Anticipating the entry of European powers into the war, and with renewed resistance provided by the large, nine hundred ton, thirty-two gun 12-pounder armed frigates of the French Navy, the RN looked to a newer larger design of frigate to meet this challenge. From November 1778 larger frigates with a heavier 18-pounder primary armament were ordered.

They were the first Royal Navy frigates designed to be armed with the eighteen-pounder cannon on their upper deck, the main gun deck of a frigate. Before coming into service, their designed secondary armament was augmented, with 9-pounder guns being substituted for the 6-pounder guns originally planned, and with ten 18-pounder carronades being added (six on the quarter deck and four on the forecastle). The type eventually proved successful, and went on to be virtually the standard frigate type during the latter periods of the age of sail.

38-gun Minerva-class frigates - HMS Minerva (1780) / HMS Arethusa (1781) / HMS Phaeton (1782) / HMS Thetis (1782)

The Minerva-class sailing frigates were a series of four ships built to a 1778 design by Sir Edward Hunt, which served in the Royal Navy during the latter decades of the eighteenth century. During the early stages of the American Revolutionary War, the Royal Navy - while well supplied with...
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DaHaimodel said:
Thank you very much Jimsky! The actual kit will use CNC and laser processing method. At present, pear wood and boxwood are considered. Because the price will be very close to cherry wood, cherry wood version is not considered for the moment. In fact, we have started some model validation work, and will release the build log of the model in the near future. Due to the application of CNC technology, modeler does not need high skills. As long as they are patient and careful, they will enjoy the fun of assembly, rather than milling and remilling, because the milling work will be done by the machine.
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Wonderful response, DaHai. An example above of CNC processing is superb. Literally, with such precision processing, the modeler, only has to carefully assemble! WOW, I am thrilled with the quality of such complex parts fitting.

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Looking forward to the build log of the pilot model! Thumbs-Up
 
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