Hello Oleg, thank you very much for your quick reply. So you have created your rigging based on the Royal William's. It's amazing. You took lots of pictures of it in the museum. Could you post some pictures of it in the forum? Thanks for the second source, the book Anderson-Seventeenth Century Rigging. I didn't know that one. For my research I used the books Masting and Rigging of 18th Century Ships by Karl Heinz Marquardt and Lennhardt Petersson. These are full of drawings that I can use for the period from 1765 to 1790. However, there is no complete rigging plan showing how to properly attach the ropes to the bow and stern of the ship. What I am missing is the attachment of the mizzen pole and the sails. I would like to build the HMS Victory in 1:84 scale with complete rigging and sails. Of course it won't be able to compare to your beautiful HMS Royal William. But I'll try. During my research I came across: The Rigging of HMS Invincible by Tom Cousins Faculty of Science and Engineering Bournemouth University? This research paper looks at the rigging from that period. I only skimmed the document and it seems really good. As I'm from Germany I have to translate it first. It will take a while. If you don't know it I can send it to you.
Best regards
Günter
P.S. How expensive would it have been to build this model today? Then your HMS Royal William is priceless..!!
Most probably you will have to design the plan by yourself. Unless you find a rigged model in a museum and go see it, as I did...
For your research please check also the web-page of Willi Meischl alias @schifferlbauer
- the shown sketch of the taffarel shown by Oleg was made by Willi
Oleg, you are by a long-mile, your own worst critic. Archjofo is aspirational to all; approachable to a select few, and you are climbing that mountain at record pace. It is always a pleasure to come see your magnificent model. You have made so much progress since I was last here. BRAVO!
Just beautiful - my friend it is looking sooooo great
The last photo in post #528 - so realistic - like real in scale 1:1 -> Bravo
The last photo in post #528 - so realistic - like real in scale 1:1 -> Bravo
Wow, absolutely amazing beautiful work.
Wow, thanks for the update. Really magnificent work.
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Hi Oleg
Great work, I am impressed
Willi (schifferlbauer)
Great work, I am impressed
Willi (schifferlbauer)
Thanks Oleg
. With a breadth of 6.5 feet the tholes seem out of place. It shows double banking on every other thwart then no tholes on the alternating ones. Pinnaces with this width only had room for one rower on each thwart in order to get leverage on the oars so there would be tholes that alternate. I have seen a number of drawings that make this confusing as they only show tholes for one side. Keep in mind that double banked boats were typically 7.5 feet in breadth or more and pinnaces in general were always single banked as they were narrow. A picture and some drawings follow. In the model from RMG you can see every thwart has one thole starting with one port, then one starboard, etc. starting at the bow. There should be no thwarts without a place for an oar, one if single banked, two if double banked such as longboats and launches.
If you look at the top and elevation views of the 32 foot pinnace below you can see all of the tholes. If you look only at the overhead view, it appears there are only tholes on every other thwart as the drawing is a cutaway down the centerline.
The same applies to the pinnace drawing below, the elevation view shows the starboard tholes and the overhead view shows the alternating port tholes.'
In the next drawing only the starboard tholes are shown in the elevation but the port are not shown in the overhead view and because of this it is sometimes misinterpreted that there are matching tholes for the same thwart as if double banked. It would be impossible for two rowers to be on one thwart with a boat only 6' 4.5" in breath. A lot of us modelers have made this mistake as well as some kit makers so it is not uncommon.
Hey Allan, really appreciate your explanation. Yes, my knowledge of the boats was not very good. When building the pinnace I was using the drawing from Bellona book, since I didn't have anything better. Thank for the drawings. I will think about changing the tholes
I truly admire Brian Lavery's work and use his book The Arming and Fitting all the time and I have the Bellona book as well but the boat drawing is incomplete just as the last drawing in my post above. It is not wrong, just not complete. In the Arming and Fitting he does show a pinnace with the proper tholes on page 220. There are a LOT of high resolution boat drawings on the WikiCommons site as well as on the RMG Collections website that you may find helpful down the road.
Maybe you or another member can help me on another question. The gratings midships looks to be 15 to 20 feet long. How would they lift this off the coaming? I realize on other ships the gratings were in smaller sections so could be manhandled but not in this case.
In the end your model is exquisite and I love following your build.
Allan