HMS Royal William 1719 1:55 by OlegM

Олег! Если будет желание и настроение, на досуге поменяй флаги. Косой белый крест Святого Андрея на Британском флаге состоял из узких полос, а не широких, как ты изобразил. Мало того, что так было на всех кораблях, картина Кливли Старшего с изображением конкретно этого корабля это так же подтверждает. Широкие полосы на косом кресте появятся много позже, это историческое несоответствие, корабль никак не мог нести такие флаги.

Oleg! If you wish, change the flags. The slanting white cross of St Andrew on the British flag was made of narrow stripes rather than wide ones. It was like this throughout the 18th century. Cleveley the Elder's painting of this ship confirms this.

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I took the flag from Wikipedia. Flag of Great Britain 1707-1800.
I was doing a small research about the flags to understand which ones I need to put, because I don't know much in this topic, but I didn't find any other information, especially about narrow or wide white strips. And I don't have a drawing or designer graphics of such a flag. If you have links to articles, please share, I will be glad to learn
 
Олег, привет! Замечательный специалист, историк А.Н. Басов написал цикл статей в целом по флагам, и в том числе по военно-морским флагам, среди этих статей есть и статья "Флаги "Владычицы морей", где показаны флаги Королевского Флота с начала 14 века с описана их история. В данных тобой ссылках на Википедию, увы, смотрю, даже близко ничего нет по флагам Королевских ВМФ.

Впрочем, можно просто посмотреть на картины тех лет, чтобы убедиться.
Так же, думаю, ты знаешь, что Кливли-Старший нарисовал свою знаменитую картину с натуры, для чего корабль специально гоняли по кругу, чтобы показать три ракурса.
Попадался корабль и на картинах других авторов.

I am writing to Oleg where he could find good information on the flags of the Royal Navy from Russian-language sources, very high quality and detailed.

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I found only this location for the Basov's article:
He indeed shows a flag with narrower strips, but he doesn't mention that at some time they became wider. I am quite interested to know in which year this happened. Or you mean that they were narrrow all the way up to 1801?
 
Maybe it's interesting: first, the thin oblique cross of St. Andrew appeared on the bow flag, geus (Dutch word geus), while at the stern there was still the old flag. Further, during the period of the century we need, the flag did not change.

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by the way, @iutar another question: do you know how to calculate the size of a flag for a given flagstaff length (from mastcap to top)? Does the flag takes all this length or just a portion? is there any rule?
 
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by the way, @iutar another question: do you know how to calculate the size of a flag for a given flagstaff length (from mastcap to top)? Does the flag takes all this length or just a portion? is there any rule?
Hi OlegM , something from son-in-law there should be for sure.Frank
 
do you know how to calculate the size of a flag for a given flagstaff length (from mastcap to top)? Does the flag takes all this length or just a portion? is there any rule?
As to the amount of flagstaff used, I would guess it varied, but the below old print might be some help. Interestingly there are photos of a lot of the Union Jacks on the RMG Collections site with dimensions of each. One example can be seen at https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-730
This flag is 3962.4 x 5588 mm and is a pre 1801 jack. The design was changed in 1801 to incorporate the cross of Saint Patrick, representing Ireland, in the new United Kingdom flag design.
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