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Le Redoutable 1/48
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I can imagine the huge work - it is looking like a real interesting project
Short question:
What are these two small ports? - not for guns I guess
Short question:
What are these two small ports? - not for guns I guess
Thank you Uwe. I think it´s a kind of loophole for the soldiers. I read about that but i cant remember where....
I will try to find it out but there are too much details.
I will try to find it out but there are too much details.
thanks - only once you have some spare time - so no hurry - I was only interested
Many Thanks for the information - interesting - so the officers duid not accept a gun in their room, reducing their space
a little bit noisy. Here is the arrangement from the America. A similar 74er. A bed, a chair, a cupboard. There is no space for other itemsin the officercabins.
Usually these walls were very light and were removed during action , so that a hit could not produce splinters
in the officercabins.
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On two or three photos of the Hermione you can see such fastenings of the walls
Hermione - a 32-gun Concorde-class frigate fitted for 12-pounder guns - dockyards of Rochefort, France
During the visit of the modelers event in Rochefort I had the chance to visit also the frigate Hermione in the docks of Rochefort. In the first post you can find a short description, following the photos I made during my visit....if questions, please do not hesitate to ask photo by Uwe From...
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Very good pictures, Uwe 
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The green one looks lika a window as well. Combines with the internal arrangement of a 74er.
.The green one looks lika a window as well. Combines with the internal arrangement of a 74er.
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I just checked the wording attached to the contemporary drawing of the captured Tigre at the NMM
Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan with stern board outline, sheer lines with inboard detail, and longitudinal half-breadth for 'Tigre' (1795), a captured French Third Rate, as taken off at Portsmouth Dockyard prior to being fitted as 74-gun Third Rate, two-decker. Later alterations sent to Portsmouth on 24 August 1797. Signed by Edward Tippet [Master Shipwright, Portsmouth Dockyard, 1793-1799].
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prior to being fitted
and
Later alterations
I interprete these information in such a way, that all the green lines are describing the changes they made in the shipyard after the capture,
means, that the french Tigre had these windows and gunports
and the british decided to change this part, f.e they closed the windows and opened gunports
Based on my interpretation your 3D-design
is showing the french Tigre
Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan with stern board outline, sheer lines with inboard detail, and longitudinal half-breadth for 'Tigre' (1795), a captured French Third Rate, as taken off at Portsmouth Dockyard prior to being fitted as 74-gun Third Rate, two-decker. Later alterations sent to Portsmouth on 24 August 1797. Signed by Edward Tippet [Master Shipwright, Portsmouth Dockyard, 1793-1799].
'Tigre' (1795) | Royal Museums Greenwich
prior to being fitted
and
Later alterations
I interprete these information in such a way, that all the green lines are describing the changes they made in the shipyard after the capture,
means, that the french Tigre had these windows and gunports
and the british decided to change this part, f.e they closed the windows and opened gunports
I gues, that it was already a gunport and no window
Based on my interpretation your 3D-design
is showing the french Tigre
This is the window.
The dimensions are strange because f the parapet height looks more a gunport.
My CAD-Data is rough in this details, there´s a lot of work to do.
The dimensions are strange because f the parapet height looks more a gunport.
My CAD-Data is rough in this details, there´s a lot of work to do.
OK, but it seems, that your deck plan is showing a cut along this line (blue)
than you would have four gunports (green arrows) and two windows (red arrows) which are not shown in the deck plan
BTW: Do you have already these drawings?
It seems, that there are also contemporary french drawings of the Tigre existing, designed by Sane.
Drawings listed under No. 347 and 348
It seems, that there are also contemporary french drawings of the Tigre existing, designed by Sane.
Drawings listed under No. 347 and 348
Thanks for the Info. I don´t have this plans. What i know is that most of these plan shows only the hull and the geometry and not more details. In this aspect the english plans are very detailed. To get plans from the SHD is very complicated and not possible via online.
The big windows in the saloon seems that are backup for additional canons. The dimension are equal like the gunports. Without the windows, the ship has 76 guns at the moment.
The big windows in the saloon seems that are backup for additional canons. The dimension are equal like the gunports. Without the windows, the ship has 76 guns at the moment.
Hell ! What a beauty !
After a lot of hours on CAD the hull is on a good way.
After a lot of hours on CAD the hull is on a good way.
when you say it, I completely trust you
- definitely your screen shot is looking very complex and professionalRemark: I have no experience in designing a ship on computer, f.e. I have absolutely no clue, what are these squares for......
Here I completely agree.
Hope to see very often some progress ....
The sqares are planes. The planes defines a positions in X, Y or Z. They can be used as a workingplanes (Arbeitsebenen).
The greens are the Waterlines, the lighter blues are the position form the sections from the NMM-Plan. Yellow ist the middle from a doubleframe, Pink/red is the front/Backside from the doubleframe ect....
Unfortunatly the screengrab looks like a Minecraftship.
The greens are the Waterlines, the lighter blues are the position form the sections from the NMM-Plan. Yellow ist the middle from a doubleframe, Pink/red is the front/Backside from the doubleframe ect....
Unfortunatly the screengrab looks like a Minecraftship.
Arrived two new plans from the NMM. The Le Pompee from Toulon and a deckplan from the Le America, Brest. I try to follow the plans from Brest but sometimes there are some gaps and i take a look in Toulon.
Just for later reference to follow your work I checked the NMM and found thr drawings
Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan, stern board outline with decoration detail and the name in a cartouche on the stern counter, sheer lines with inboard detail and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for Pompee (1794), a captured French Third Rate, as taken off at Portsmouth Dockyard prior to fitting as a 74-gun third Rate, two-decker. Signed by Edward Tippet [Master Shipwright, Portsmouth Dockyard, 1793-1799].
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Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the quarterdeck and forecastle for 'America' (1794), a captured French Third Rate, prior to fitting as a 74-gun Third Rate, two-decker at Portsmouth Dockyard. Note that by Admiralty Order 14 July 1795 her name was changed to 'Impetueux'.
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I canm fully understand, that you are working on this project - it will be very interesting to follow
Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the body plan, stern board outline with decoration detail and the name in a cartouche on the stern counter, sheer lines with inboard detail and figurehead, and longitudinal half-breadth for Pompee (1794), a captured French Third Rate, as taken off at Portsmouth Dockyard prior to fitting as a 74-gun third Rate, two-decker. Signed by Edward Tippet [Master Shipwright, Portsmouth Dockyard, 1793-1799].
Pompee (1793) | Royal Museums Greenwich
Scale: 1:48. Plan showing the quarterdeck and forecastle for 'America' (1794), a captured French Third Rate, prior to fitting as a 74-gun Third Rate, two-decker at Portsmouth Dockyard. Note that by Admiralty Order 14 July 1795 her name was changed to 'Impetueux'.
'America' (1794) | Royal Museums Greenwich
I canm fully understand, that you are working on this project - it will be very interesting to follow
Every day its more and more an obsession. . I cant understand why the Temeraire-class is so underpresented in form of models. She is in my eyes one of the most beautiful ships. With a great history and as well with a lot of different variations in her 30 Years of construction.
. I cant understand why the Temeraire-class is so underpresented in form of models. She is in my eyes one of the most beautiful ships. With a great history and as well with a lot of different variations in her 30 Years of construction.