Le Soleil Royal, vaisseau de 104 - De Agostini - by Jack Aubrey

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It was question of the orientation for the decoration for the gun on the first deck
It look like that Mantua Altaya and look like De Agostini did not follow the Musé de la marine model
Just to let you know
Yours
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the discution in the French Forum
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And no consensus on the issue
As you wrote the majority of the kits are suggesting the positioning shown by you . .
I've reviewed many images of the Musèe de Paris' Soleil Royal and honestly I see different types of gunports decorations, both reasonnable for their shape and orientation. But the differences are not small and I believe the main aswer is to define which of them is the right one. Anyway also the Musèe de la Marine model is not a contemporary model: it was madel +/- two century later . . .
 

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As I said the SR is one of my favourite
And any comment from me are not a critic just friendly exchange
Any kit got flaw I know well the stern on the OcCre Santisima Trinidad is just an horror and did almost nothing about it.
Here a picture post about the bow of the SR
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A couple on new small details at the poop . .

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While at the bow I've added some "personal" details to improve some small areas near the figurehead. At the moment it is only an initial customization, still in the process to be finalized

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I just love the stern castel
To bad OcCre did not do anything for the ST
Your SR will be a beauty Thumbs-Up
 

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Sunday, June 22, 2014

In the three images below I want to show the two pieces of the "serpi", and then completely finished ready to be mounted on the bow of the Soleil.

The first two images show the "serpi" in the outer part, while the third shows one of these viewed from the inside, without any decoration and simply painted in blue.

As you can imagine this is not the result of a single work session, but the last of a long approach: it suffices to say that I started working on these details a fortnight ago.

Now it only remains to find the best way to mount them on the bow, which is far from obvious; for example if it happens to break the piece would really be a big problem. As often happens when I don't know how to proceed, I use to leave settle the problem and I'm going to do something else.

A couple of technical details: the decorations provided by De Agostini are bonded with epoxy glue, while the copper twisted wires are glued using cyanoacrylate, the one packaged with the brush. A final coat of clear matt varnish then aesthetically harmonized the whole.

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Sunday, June 22, 2014

These days I worked also to prepare the three poop lanterns. Of course, what you see in the pictures here below presented is only the "virtually" final phase of the process. Who has already built for this model these lanterns knows how the whole thing was made up of several pieces to assemble.
In particular, there were two photo-etched elements that had to be folded and welded to obtain a cylinder with openings and a semi-cone on which to fix the other three, metal cast, elements.
To be honest the first two pieces were not prepared to match in measure the remaining three, but with some work with small files I managed to get an agreement with the rest.

However, it was another experience with soldering that forced me to face a total new problem.
In particular, the mass of the pieces in cast metal needed to heat these piece quite well to make tin melting. . while the photo-etched pieces, with a mass extremely limited, tended to make melting tin too early and detach themselves due too much heat.
However at the end I went successful, adding a new experience in this field: how to weld pieces of mass rather different.

The first two photographs show the three lanterns with a couple of coats of metal primer, applied with the airbrush. .

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The remaining show the same pieces with a coat of color, which at this time I would define as provisional, since I have not yet decided whether to continue with goldening or use a couple of other colors, such as blue and red, the colors already present on other details of this model. Honestly, I'm being tempted by the second solution.

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Friday, June 27, 2014 - The last cannon

The first image in this post shows the guns included by De Agostini in the weekly issues of Soleil Royal. Time ago I prepared them painted (the carriages) and burnished (the guns). In a few days they would have had to be installed on the upper decks of the ship. . .

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But. . . from the beginning I was not convinced about these guns and I started to perform thorough researches on the internet and in some specialized magazines to find references.

yet. . . I found nothing; this kind of gun seems to be present on almost all models from the Soleil Royal kits but I never found references on other more reliable sources.

An authoritative publication (ANCRE) about a vessel of the same historic age of Soleil Royal shows instead that all the guns available on it were with four-wheel carriages and especially they hadn't the strange shape that seems peculiar of the anti-personnel guns (swivels) fixed on the walls.

So I decided to discard them and use the configuration proposed by ANCRE for the french Ambitieux.

So instead of a single model of gun and carriage I decided to use three types of guns/carriages: eight of greater size (or weight of the ball), in any case suitable to be installed on high decks, four intermediate and four light for the highest decks. You can see the three types in the first image. Of course, the barrels are currently only positioned.

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The eight guns of larger size (brass) . .

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The four intermediate and light (iron cast). .

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In a few days I will probably start the activities to install them in place. Greetings to all, Jack.
 

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Saturday, June 28, 2014 - more details

In the meantime, I painted with gold some details that before I just sketched at the bow, this way they are much more remarkable and visible than in natural wood . .

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Even the poop lanterns are now painted in the final configuration, here I have deliberately limited the golden areas because it seemed to me exaggerated if totally painted with gold . .

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In addition I installed some new pin-rails, a little improvisation in the absence of more credible references and above all I have used metal pins (not the ones provided by De Agostini) from my personal reserve fixed to the rail with a thin film of cyano-acrylate glue.

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Slowly I'm approaching the conclusion of this shipyard: the biggest hurdle is the assembly of the "Serpi" and the installation of the poop lanterns; they are relatively risky operations and whom practical implications have yet to be deeply considered. . the risk may be remarkable.
Regarding the guns, instead, it's only a matter of time and, obviously, a lot of patience.
Sincerely, Jack.Aubrey.
 

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Sunday, July 6, 2014 - "Serpi"

During this week I could not produce a lot, due to multiple commitments to other matters not related to ship modeling.

The major achievement of this past week was that I finally set at bow the so called "serpi". An operation that took me three working sessions spread over three different days.

Day 1: I made two pieces of wood, carefully shaped, applied to the stem support of the bowsprit, exactly in the area where I would have to glue the front side of the "serpi". Their shape is designed so as to maintain the correct angle of the "serpi" in this area and provide a large surface of bonding.

Day 2: I glued the first of two "serpi". The bonding is at both ends and was performed with the two-component epoxy glue. 10 minutes of work and one day of waiting.

Day 3: same operation on the second day with the other piece.

I also worked about some other small details that I will explain in a future post. For the moment that's all . .

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Cheers, Jack.Aubrey.
 

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. . continuation, let's turn to the overall views.

Now I'm approaching an less presentable activity: the preparation of all blocks and accessories related to the installation of the guns on the decks. I think it will take me a couple of weeks before I can have something to show you, after which there will be very little to get to the end.

Friendliness, Jack.Aubrey

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Friday, July 11th, 2014

Having nothing new to show, while I'm preparing the single elements needed to install the guns on the deck, I propose you new images of the model . . be patient.

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Regards, Jack

Post Scriptum: thanks to all for the positive comments.
 

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Wednesday, July 23th, 2014

Some very small evolutions on my Soleil Royal: during this week I had a lot of stupid but important thing to do and consequently I find difficult concentrate myself on this kind of work, where patience, precision and plenty of time is important.

The first image shows the gun carriages fixed on the deck. There is a brass pivot on the front side of the carriage anche the wheels are glued on the deck.
I used the bi-component epoxy and this operation has to be done in two different days.

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The other two images show the 8 quarterdeck guns partially rigged. The barrels are positioned only. I've fixed the termination of each rope with a drop of cyan. I'll prepare separately the "bundles" (?) of rope to be applied, in the proper position, over the rope's end.

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Kind regards, Jack.
 

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Sunday, July 27th, 2014

The date of the launch is approaching. .

I have almost completed the installation of the 12 guns that are presented here below in the classic position ready to be driven out of the gun-ports to shoot. Now only the tackle rope on the gun barrel is missing. This afternoon I have prepared two prototypes of them to determine the correct length and the most practical method for their preparation.

To change from time to time I have prepared some special deck furnitures that are not present on the "standard" model of De Agostini and maybe even on the true ship . . . the French "sun" King is no longer here to be able to contest my choice. The gratings shown on the first picture is the first "extra" piece since remained some free space on this deck.

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I added these "removable" railings on the gandboards in the sense that during the battle they were brought into the hold but during normal sailing gave greater security to the transit of people in this area.

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Eight guns on the quarterdeck. . not yet fixed.

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Finally, another "extra" gratings in a significantly empty area: I think too much inclined to be able to put other details such as casks, boxes, etc..

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To be continued in the next message. . Best regards, Jack.
 
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