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Let's get more people into wooden ship building!

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a mission statement or manifesto that is the question

When you think of a manifesto, you might think of a change or a newsworthy artistic movement.
In a manifesto, you declare your vision, core values and goals to the world. This might be a manifesto of a company, artist, person or movement, manifesto is a call-to-action

Mission statements are a great way to answer the questions who, what, when, where, why, and how. Companies, organizations, schools, and individuals all use mission statements to convey what they hope to achieve as well as their values and vision.

so what are we trying to get across to the masses?

sell more kits
create a data base of ship building knowledge
teach the finer art of the model shipwright
how to assemble kits
100s of hours at your work bench is a healthy way to spend your time
what! is our goal to reach out?

we argue among ourselves as to exactly what this is all about how do you expect to sell it to the public?
 
Show them this video, made by our good friend - ans SOSer - @EdwardZ
This isn't plastic glue, on plastic. WAIT FOR THE GLUE TO DRY, have patience. Read the directions at least twice. Sand only after the glue has dried. If you goof, don't despair, rubbing alcohol will soften the PVA glue so you can gently un plank without destroying your planking, gently and easy does it! Then plank again. Use sanding sealer to help prevent the fuzzies. If you break the wooden pieces, you can butt glue them back together, or sister another piece if practable for strength. Use wood glue for butt joints, not PVA. If you have destroyed a part in total, use the parts sheet as a guide to make another part. And if you get frustrated, it's ok to take a break, tease the wife, have a coffee or mow the lawn. (I prefer the coffee route}
Don't ask how I learned this!
 
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This isn't plastic glue, on plastic. WAIT FOR THE GLUE TO DRY, have patience. Read the directions at least twice. Sand only after the glue has dried. If you goof, don't despair, rubbing alcohol will soften the PVA glue so you can gently un plank without destroying your planking, gently and easy does it! Then plank again. Use sanding sealer to help prevent the fuzzies. If you break the wooden pieces, you can butt glue them back together, or sister another piece if practable for strength. Use wood glue for butt joints, not PVA. If you have destroyed a part in total, use the parts sheet as a guide to make another part. And if you get frustrated, it's ok to take a break, tease the wife, have a coffee or mow the lawn. (I prefer the coffee route}

YouTube has 5.1 billion videos, making it the biggest video-sharing site out there. This number keeps growing due to more than 360 hours of new content uploaded every minute.
With over 360 hours of new videos added every minute or 518,400 hours daily. And know that the average video is about 12 minutes long, approximately 2.6 million videos are uploaded each day. This results in 77.76 million videos a month and 946 million videos per year, nearly reaching a billion

the only way you going to watch a video on model ship building is if you search for it running across it by chance is 5 billion to 1

you tube is a great way to help builders already interested and involved in the hobby but unlikely to draw in new builders.
 
i think this is the big question why do we need to reach out and "grow" what is the reason to do that?

Precisely. How many people remember serious ship modeling before the internet? It was indeed a solitary pursuit. Oh, there was a club here or there and you could maybe read a magazine or buy a book... If you even knew how to find one... you'd get mail order book catalogs. (Dolphin Book Club was a good one for a while.) If you were really lucky, you'd live somewhere near a maritime museum and maybe bump into a ship modeler or two around there. That was it.

There are 22,648 members of this forum as of this writing. Why isn't that enough?
 
I agree with Dave’s Big Question. Why does ship modeling need to grow?

Consensus on SOS is that 99 percent of ship models are built from kits that are produced and sold by the ship model kit industry. Creating demand for their products should be an integral part of their business plan. If they are successful at doing this and if their kits attract buyers then they stay in business. If not, then they close up shop. That’s how business is supposed to work.

The other one percent are scratch builders like me. For me, ship model building has mostly been a solitary activity. I have never lived close enough to a ship modeling club to be involved. I used to eagerly await my quarterly issue of the Nautical Research Journal in order to learn from master modelers like Eric Ronnberg and Rob Napier. Today, it’s seldom worth reading. I do enjoy SOS.

My guess is that scratch builders will keep building models with or without new arrivals to the hobby because it’s in our blood. Kit builders will continue to do so too if they continue to be attracted to kit manufacturer’s offerings.

Roger
 
There are 22,648 members of this forum as of this writing. Why isn't that enough?

i will reply
1 because the more members the more it attracts the hobby version business of making kits, profit, sales and whatever, The more money made by the business factor the more they can invest in new and better ways, 3D printing replacing casting, 3D modeling rather than someone actually making a prototype. Carving figures etc.

2 it also drives builders to improve their knowledge and skills. this is a resource. The more members contributing the greater the knowledge base.

3 selling out to the toy industry is a round about good thing. The more members the more kits sold and this comes around to the 1% scratch builders who create the originals. The toy industry is mimicking the original art

4 i worked in the backroom, in cluttered studios with other difficult artists everyone had their ideas and DNA in graphic arts and design, industrial art. we were the bees building the hive of commercialism, the idea factory. Same with this hobby that 1% behind the curtain There will always be the 1% in model ship building because they are driving the bus and there is always a rising star to replace the masters.

there was only 1 Andy Warhol but an entire culture behind him


An American visual artist, film director and producer. A leading figure in the pop art movement, Warhol is generally considered among the most important American artists of the second half of the 20th century. His works explore the relationship between artistic expression, advertising, and celebrity culture

so no worries everything is as it should be
 
There are dozens of kit manufactures each making a vast range of ships. What new ones do we need? More models of HMS Victory, More Vasa? More Bounties?
There are kits from Viking long boats through galleons, Royal yachts, warships with 1, 2 or three gun decks spanning three centuries and the rest. When all 22000 members of this forum have each made all the available kits then perhaps we will need some new ones. :)
PS What about a Great Western!
 
The toy industry is mimicking the original art

And it must be remembered that in large measure it is the fine arts models, not the kits on the hobby shop shelves, which drive the kit model industry. It's the fine arts models that move the soul and inspire new hobbyists to try their hand at putting a kit together, which is what manufacturing ship model kits is all about. This is why I think efforts are best directed to encouraging hobbyist kit modelers to transcend kits and take the deeper dive into scratch modeling. And, by that I'm not talking about trying to scratch build a fully framed man of war. There's often far more art in a small workboat model than in a kit-built Victory.
 
Sorry, Bob, but in this case I respectably disagree. I believe that many kit builders have never seen one of the finely crafted scratch built ship models like you describe. IMHO kit model demand, like much of today’s culture is driven by the entertainment industry; movies like Pirates of the Caribbean, Master and Commander etc."., and for some, the wide variety of Napoleonic War novels.

People see the movies and/or read the books and form a romantic attachment to the subject that inspires them to build a ship that connects them. I suspect that Master and Commander has much to do with the popularity of Napoleonic War subjects with Americans. It also accounts for the huge stashes of kits of this subject that many accumulate.

When I was a kid back in the ‘50’s I almost memorized the A.J. Fisher ship model catalogs lying about our house. Virtually all of the kits offered were American subjects many based on HAMMS research. No HMS Victory. This was of course before ship model subjects were popularized by mass media. The positive side of all this; SOS would have 220 members, not 22000.

Roger
 
Ship Model Market Outlook

The global ship model market size was valued at approximately USD 1.2 billion in 2023 and is projected to reach around USD 2.4 billion by 2032, growing at a Compound Annual Growth Rate of 7.6% during the forecast period. One of the primary growth factors driving this market is the increasing interest and investment in maritime history and nautical hobbies across various demographics. The appreciation for maritime craftsmanship and the rising disposable incomes in emerging economies further contribute to the market's expansion.

The ship model market is witnessing robust growth due to several factors, one of which is the surge in the number of hobbyists and collectors. These enthusiasts often seek out high-quality, detailed models to add to their collections, driving demand for both static and dynamic models. Moreover, the increasing availability of DIY model kits and online tutorials has made ship modeling more accessible, encouraging more individuals to take up this hobby. The trend is particularly noticeable in regions with a rich maritime history, where interest in ship models serves as a cultural homage to the past.
Another notable growth driver is the educational sector's growing interest in utilizing ship models for teaching purposes. Educational institutions, including schools, colleges, and museums, are increasingly incorporating ship models into their curriculum and exhibits. These models serve as valuable teaching aids, providing a tangible representation of maritime technology and history. They help students and museum visitors better understand the complexity and evolution of nautical engineering, thereby fostering a deeper appreciation for maritime heritage.

The advent of advanced manufacturing technologies, such as 3D printing, has also significantly influenced the ship model market. These technologies have made it easier and more cost-effective to produce highly detailed and accurate ship models. As a result, manufacturers can offer a broader range of models at different price points, catering to both high-end collectors and casual hobbyists. This technological advancement not only improves product quality but also enhances the overall consumer experience, further driving market growth.

In the realm of ship modeling, the concept of a Toy Model has gained traction as a unique segment catering to beginners. Unlike traditional ship models that focus on historical accuracy and intricate detailing, Toy Models are designed to be more approachable and engaging for novices. These models often feature simplified designs and vibrant colors, making them appealing to children and those new to the hobby. The introduction of Toy Models has helped broaden the market's appeal, encouraging a new generation of enthusiasts to explore the world of ship modeling. By offering an entry point that is both fun and educational, Toy Models play a crucial role in sustaining interest in maritime history and model building.

Regionally, the market exhibits diverse growth patterns. For instance, the Asia Pacific region is experiencing rapid growth, fueled by rising disposable incomes and a burgeoning middle class interested in hobbies and recreational activities. North America and Europe, on the other hand, have longstanding traditions of ship modeling, supported by well-established hobbyist communities and numerous maritime museums. The Middle East & Africa and Latin America are also showing potential for growth, albeit at a slower pace, as economic conditions improve and interest in maritime activities increases.
Type Analysis
Static ship models are a significant segment within the ship model market. These models, which are non-functional and primarily used for display purposes, have a strong appeal among collectors and maritime enthusiasts. Static models are often noted for their intricate details and craftsmanship, making them highly desirable for those looking to showcase these pieces in their homes or offices. The market for static ship models is buoyed by the availability of both pre-assembled models and DIY kits, catering to varying levels of interest and expertise among consumers.

Dynamic ship models, on the other hand, appeal to a different segment of the market. These models are functional and often radio-controlled, allowing users to operate them in water. Dynamic models attract hobbyists who are interested in the technical aspects of ship modeling, including assembly and operation. This segment is experiencing growth due to advancements in remote control technology and increased consumer interest in interactive and engaging hobbies. The dynamic ship model market is also favored by competitive activities, such as model boat racing, which adds an element of excitement and community engagement.

The versatility and educational value offered by both static and dynamic models ensure a broad appeal across different consumer groups. Educational institutions, for example, utilize both types for various teaching purposes, from demonstrating basic maritime concepts to exploring advanced nautical engineering. This dual appeal helps sustain robust demand for both static and dynamic models, driving overall market growth.

The market dynamics for static and dynamic models are also influenced by the pricing strategies employed by manufacturers. While static models can range from affordable to highly expensive, depending on the level of detail and craftsmanship, dynamic models often come with a higher price tag due to the additional technology involved. This variety in pricing allows manufacturers to cater to a wide range of consumers, from casual hobbyists to serious collectors, thereby maximizing market penetration and revenue.
 
when we say how can we get young people interested, LOOK! at who is driving the market
we should be asking how to get more adults interested not the younger



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Sorry, Bob, but in this case I respectably disagree. I believe that many kit builders have never seen one of the finely crafted scratch built ship models like you describe. IMHO kit model demand, like much of today’s culture is driven by the entertainment industry; movies like Pirates of the Caribbean, Master and Commander etc."., and for some, the wide variety of Napoleonic War novels.

People see the movies and/or read the books and form a romantic attachment to the subject that inspires them to build a ship that connects them. I suspect that Master and Commander has much to do with the popularity of Napoleonic War subjects with Americans. It also accounts for the huge stashes of kits of this subject that many accumulate.

When I was a kid back in the ‘50’s I almost memorized the A.J. Fisher ship model catalogs lying about our house. Virtually all of the kits offered were American subjects many based on HAMMS research. No HMS Victory. This was of course before ship model subjects were popularized by mass media. The positive side of all this; SOS would have 220 members, not 22000.

Roger

You may be correct. I'm probably thinking too much of my own experience. When I was a kid growing up in San Francisco, which at that time was the largest port on the West Coast, fine ship models, many builder's models, were all over the place and I found them fascinating. The San Francisco Maritime Museum (now the San Francisco National Maritime Museum and Historic Park) had a large collection and many of the buildings in the Financial District which housed offices of shipping companies, import/export agents, and international banks had large builder's models in their lobbies. I know I'll probably be "hung, drawn, and quartered" for saying so, but although I surely enjoyed Patrick O'Brien's stories and appreciated the production values and historic accuracy of Master and Commander (an acquaintance of mine was the master rigger for that movie,) I have never been all that infatuated by 17th and 18th century English naval history.

I have a few of the old ship modeling catalogs in my library. Interestingly, they now bring a bit of money on the collector's market, around $10 for the later James Bliss catalogs and $50 for the older ones from the late forties. The newer modelers here should note that in the 1970's, James Bliss and Company, which sold ship models, fittings, engines, and books, had a main store and five branch stores throughout New England, as well as a large national mail order catalog business.

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Further excerpts from https://dataintelo.com/report/global-ship-model-market:

However, the market also faces certain threats that could hinder its growth. One of the primary challenges is the high cost and time investment required for building high-quality ship models. This can be a significant barrier for new entrants and casual hobbyists who may not have the resources or commitment to invest in this hobby. Additionally, the market is increasingly crowded with various manufacturers, leading to intense competition and price pressures. This competitive landscape can make it challenging for smaller or new players to establish a foothold in the market. Furthermore, economic downturns can impact discretionary spending, affecting the purchase of non-essential items like ship models.

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The dataintelo entry for ship models, which reeks of AI generated generalities, lumps all forms of ship modeling together. Consequently, market projections for a "youth market" for plastic model kits are comingled with a market for highly collectable and hence valuable fine arts display models. This conceptual flaw in the data collection and analysis renders dubious the conclusions upon which it is based. Plastic model kits have always been popular with kids. However, when we talk about serious traditional ship modeling, I don't think we're talking about plastic model kits, are we?
 

The ditantalum entry for ship models, which reeks of AI generated generalities, lumps all forms of ship modeling together

i see that kits are one big catagory and as one big catagory it takes into account everything from cheap plastic kits to expensive ones and all types of subjects and materials.

so

Material Analysis​

Wood remains the material of choice for many high-end ship models due to its aesthetic appeal and historical authenticity. Wooden ship models are often handcrafted, featuring intricate details and craftsmanship that appeal to collectors and enthusiasts. The use of wood in ship modeling is deeply rooted in tradition, as many historical ships were constructed from wood. This material's natural beauty and durability make it a preferred choice for static models that are intended for display. However, the cost and skill required for crafting wooden models can limit their accessibility to more affluent consumers and dedicated hobbyists.

what needs to be defined are high-end ship models does this include kits?

Wooden ship models are often handcrafted, i would think handcrafted are not kits but maybe they are included,

but if handcrafted? craftsmanship that appeal to collectors and enthusiasts i do not think collectors collect mass produced kit subjects.

However, the cost and skill required for crafting wooden models can limit their accessibility to more affluent consumers and dedicated hobbyists.
what exactly is being said here?
 
I think that it has been established that there is a good number of people that are (or have been) interested in this hobby given the number of individuals that have signed up on SoS (MSR as well). I also see every day that there are new introductions being made. So the base may not be an issue as all.

Part of my University career was in administration (the dark side) and as Provost and Vice Chancellor of Academic Affairs, Enrollment Services reported to me. In higher education enrollment is paramount - students = $$$. In a competitive market for students as related to enrollment there are at least two crucial factors: recruitment of new students and retention of current students.

It may be worthwhile to look at the retention aspect of our hobby. Of the 22,648 members of this forum, how many are active in building models; active on the forum either by reading or writing but not currently building; how may are inactive - the worse being, I tried it but quit for good?

Would it be better to concentrate on development of members? I know this is done in an ad hoc basis via the build logs, via group builds, and now more systematically by Dave Stevens in his School for Shipmodel Building. Still, I feel there is a thread of desire that a segment of the membership become modelers of the highest degree as well as more modelers create models of currently unmodeled ships.

Here's a half-cooked idea, not too far from a call for grants in academia. Perhaps SoS as an organization could provide some focus on this aspect. One possibility would be that a list of models that should be built (i.e., revisit Chappelle) can be developed by a group on this site. Desired style of construction could be specified, along with a high level of building standards, etc. Modelers could then take on the challenge. Perhaps a timeframe could be imposed and some type of award / recognition could be bestowed on those modelers that advance the hobby via this program. Maybe the topflight work could be picked up and turned into a book by a publisher such as SeaWatch, or a modeling company could be a sponsor that would help turn the project into a (semi)kit with the modeler getting in on the proceeds.
 
I thought that I would never say this, but if the term “Highly Detailed Ship Models” in the above context includes kits, why not include plastic?

First of all, the plastic modelers here on SOS seem to do their research in order to build an accurate model. For example, see Brian’s build log for the battleship USS Arizona. Nobody says, “I don’t care, It’s just a hobby.”

Second, if we include 3D printed parts for wooden kit models are they anymore “hand made” then a well made plastic model with extensive aftermarket upgrades?

And finally, from a decorative standpoint, some subjects just lend themselves to plastic. This includes many steel hulled vessels. If I absolutely had to have a model of Titanic and would consider a well built one from a kit, I would rather have a highly detailed plastic one than a wooden one one built from a POB kit.

Roger
 
If I absolutely had to have a model of Titanic and would consider a well built one from a kit, I would rather have a highly detailed plastic one than a wooden one built from a POB kit.[

Easy for you to say. That's a pretty big "if!" ROTF ROTF ROTF

I think that the modern naval vessel modelers keep the plastics market going because scratch-building the detail on modern naval vessels is tremendously demanding. There still are a rather small group of scratch-building ship modeling "artists" who specialize in modern naval vessels. Norman Ough comes to mind, as does Philip Reed.


 
Second, if we include 3D printed parts for wooden kit models are they anymore “hand made” then a well made plastic model with extensive aftermarket upgrades?

depends on who created the original 3D print file an artist will used "mixed media" to achieve the end results
 
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