L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

[BradNSW]

Nice job on those hinges and working windows for the crank houses!

It appears the window even have screens??

Looking awesome.

 

[The Gavel]

Nice job on those hinges and working windows for the crank houses!

It appears the window even have screens??

Looking awesome.

Brad! Thank you for the compliment, sir! Yes, I added screens. I'm concerned for the safety of the crew. I can see where the engineering spaces might need some light and ventilation but I didn't want anything just dropping through the lights onto the engineering crew or the machinery.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates!

First day of the spring semester! And before that starts: The Capstan Report.

The kit plans call for three capstans. The kit also included a fret with laser cut parts for the capstans. Out of a general mistrust of the kit parts and pleasure in the @Dry-Dock Models & Parts mini kits, I sourced three 1:96 scale capstans. (I built one earlier to replace the britannia metal object that came in Harriet Lane's box.) BTW Jim did a nice review really showing how it's done: https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/drydock-models-and-parts-capstan.15248/

As I compared the fret with the Dry-Dock kit, I decided to try out the Mamoli capstan. In the first few images below, they are side by side. I really liked the delicacy of the Mamoli capstan, so I built them and will reserve my Dry-Dock mini-kits for the USS Kearsarge kit that Santa did not bring me for Christmas.



To add a bit more detail, I used my multi-size hole punch on black artists paper to replicate the brass ring (blue arrow) that comes with the Dry-Dock kit. I also added a central button to replace the overly thick wood part (red arrows).



Here's how it looked pre-oiling and before I adhered the ring and button with acrylic matte medium.



Here are some gratuitous pictures because I know you love them

 

[The Gavel]

Here's one for the crew: The plans show the cowl vents, two close to the engine room and two well forward. (red arrows.) Does this make sense? Or should the forward vents be closer to the engine room (blue arrow). Or should there be more cowl vents?

Martin @Martin By Eye, being my spirit guide on this build - thoughts?



Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[Roger Pellett]

There would be large cowl vents or something similar over the boiler fronts to provide draft for the fires. Smaller vents would be located elsewhere for ventilation.

Roger

 

[The Gavel]

There would be large cowl vents or something similar over the boiler fronts to provide draft for the fires. Smaller vents would be located elsewhere for ventilation.

Roger

Roger! Thank you! The kit-supplied cowl vents are among the few nice castings. Unfortunately they are all the same size. I will look at sourcing some smaller ones. I am inclined to use all four of the kit-supplied vents - plenty of air for the fires! Too much?

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

Spirit guide ??? That is kind of you ! I would have said more annoying conscience ! I will look into it some more but for the moment i see no cowl vents before 1864, on Le Gloire, which is screw driven . L'Aigle is bereft in 1870 allthough she carries a tall ventilator at the front which is mainly for the kitchens, crew quarters , and maybe steam capstan . So perhaps your forward ventilation makes sense... mainly i see that the covers for the crankspaces are well ventilated opening window hatches and there does seem to be a lot of this style of ventilations on ships of this period around the boiler area .They have large lattice hatch covers also, of course. There is the one model of the Sphinx fitted with a primitive version of cowled vents but i do not see them on any of the plans of these 160 or 460hp ships so i'm not sure where he got his info.They are not on the model by the Marine Nationale. We have seen some of the canvas funnel vents earlier in the thread used temporarily in unloading horses. One detail i picked from the plans was the presence of medium large hatches before the boiler zone marked as being for withdrawing the cinder trays .Interesting detail. So , once again you are free to decide which tack to choose... iI can understand wishing to use the cowlvents, they are nice touches that i rather like myself. Off subject, i have finished my Cutty apart from the last details, a lick of paint touchup, and mounting to her baseboard, so will be posting on the finished ships thread once i have taken some photos. i need a short break after 4 months rigging and then i will start up a build log for l'Hussard to original plans for anyone that is interested. (yes, big guns !)

 

[Martin By Eye]

Oh , and we could do with some more piccies of your excellent build, you've been fiddling stuff , i know

 

[The Gavel]

Spirit guide ??? That is kind of you ! I would have said more annoying conscience ! I will look into it some more but for the moment i see no cowl vents before 1864, on Le Gloire, which is screw driven . L'Aigle is bereft in 1870 allthough she carries a tall ventilator at the front which is mainly for the kitchens, crew quarters , and maybe steam capstan . So perhaps your forward ventilation makes sense... mainly i see that the covers for the crankspaces are well ventilated opening window hatches and there does seem to be a lot of this style of ventilations on ships of this period around the boiler area .They have large lattice hatch covers also, of course. There is the one model of the Sphinx fitted with a primitive version of cowled vents but i do not see them on any of the plans of these 160 or 460hp ships so i'm not sure where he got his info.They are not on the model by the Marine Nationale. We have seen some of the canvas funnel vents earlier in the thread used temporarily in unloading horses. One detail i picked from the plans was the presence of medium large hatches before the boiler zone marked as being for withdrawing the cinder trays .Interesting detail. So , once again you are free to decide which tack to choose... iI can understand wishing to use the cowlvents, they are nice touches that i rather like myself. Off subject, i have finished my Cutty apart from the last details, a lick of paint touchup, and mounting to her baseboard, so will be posting on the finished ships thread once i have taken some photos. i need a short break after 4 months rigging and then i will start up a build log for l'Hussard to original plans for anyone that is interested. (yes, big guns !)View attachment 571911

Martin! Thank you! I was right to look for your input! I love it when I'm right .

Well. I should have known that the kit's floating casino design would include other inaccuracies. Thank you for this picture of Sphynx. I'll try making something like the four vents around her engineering spaces before I commit the sin of using the oddly nice cowl vents that came with the kit. And yet, perhaps the right call is to omit them since, as I also found, there is no historucal record of them on the French ships of this class. We'll see. They're just so darn cool.

I did notice the tall chimney forward on L'Aigle as well as the absence of anything like a cowl vent. I am going to try my hand at fabricating something like it. Make sense that L'Orenoque would have such a chimney for the ship's stove(s) if nothing else. The L'Orenoque kit plans have the forward capstan located where the L'Aigle has her chimney, so I'll likely place the chimney aft of the foremast. Since I'm planning for a forward companionway identical to the one on L'Aigle, I'll have to be careful with placement.

I think I made the cinder trays you mentioned. First L'Aigle second L'Orenoque: Is this what you were talking about?



I'll keep the large hatch gratings in mind as well

Congratulations on your Cutty! I can't wait to see the pictures! Champagne pour tout! And L'Hussard! I'm going to design a special chair from which to watch that build!

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

Oh , and we could do with some more piccies of your excellent build, you've been fiddling stuff , i know

Martin! I'll see what I can do. Voyeurs for ship model pictures. What is the world coming to?

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

i would say these are really general ventilation covers .They look excellent. you can see the cinder hatches marked as number 8 on this plan of the sphinx series corvettes, they are just behind the crank housings marked 9. i think it will depend on the positioning of the boiler,and it's feeding doors, i think you have plans of that for l'Orenoque somewhere. Your decision what you wish to install .The circles marked number12's are the coal loading chutes

 

[The Gavel]

Martin! Very very helpful! As always! Thank you!

Unfortunately, I could not find any deck plans for L'Orenoque. All I have are side view. I'll run down to the shipyard and see what I can find.

Here's what I mean by spirit guide - I have been thinking about the coaling chutes. The kit has (although I can't find them) some thick wooden dots that are meant to represent the coaling chutes. On Monday, as I was punching out the details for my capstan tops, I realized that I could make the coaling chutes out of black artists paper See - spirit guide!

While were at it - I was planning to move the wheel to the main deck just forward of the poop. My thought was that the wheel was way too exposed almost dead aft on the poop. Then I noticed that the wheel on L'Aigle is exposed. I also noticed that the wheel is very far aft on Descartes too. Now I see the same thing on this plan. Perhaps I need to keep the wheel aft?

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

good lord, i had completely zapped the photo's you had already loaded above, excuse me ! she is really excellent , coming true to a french frigate as she would have been ! I think you can move the wheel , the 160ch shown has a superstructure at the poop which would provide protection and the descartes is quite far forward also. the Hussard has a gun deck on the poop so has a similar position for the wheel also. We must not forget that L'Aigle was a pleasure yacht where strolling space for the emperor and empress was kept well separated from the crew working areas

Martin! Very very helpful! As always! Thank you!

Unfortunately, I could not find any deck plans for L'Orenoque. All I have are side view. I'll run down to the shipyard and see what I can find.

Here's what I mean by spirit guide - I have been thinking about the coaling chutes. The kit has (although I can't find them) some thick wooden dots that are meant to represent the coaling chutes. On Monday, as I was punching out the details for my capstan tops, I realized that I could make the coaling chutes out of black artists paper See - spirit guide!

While were at it - I was planning to move the wheel to the main deck just forward of the poop. My thought was that the wheel was way too exposed almost dead aft on the poop. Then I noticed that the wheel on L'Aigle is exposed. I also noticed that the wheel is very far aft on Descartes too. Now I see the same thing on this plan. Perhaps I need to keep the wheel aft?

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

the side view, if it is cutaway , should give you rough boiler positioning . i also prefer the finer capstans.

 

[The Gavel]

the side view, if it is cutaway , should give you rough boiler positioning . i also prefer the finer capstans.

Alas, it is as I thought. No cutaway. And I just went back through the ATLAS DU GÉNIE MARITIME from start to finish and could find nothing. The only side cutout details/deck views were 560 hp or 320hp.

 

[Roger Pellett]

Cursory review of old photos in book re; old steamships indicates no above deck boiler vents so I agree with Martin. I suggest that the grating just aft of the stack is for ventilation.

Rkoger