Mary Rose - Caldercraft Build log [COMPLETED BUILD]

[Charles QC]

So many nice build to follow
This one I will follow closely

 

[ikecurran]

I have decided to add one extra deck both forward and aft decks.
I’m also toying with the idea of putting net across both main grates, see picture

 

[Uwek]

Hallo,
what is the idea behind this net over the gratings?

 

[ikecurran]

Hallo,
what is the idea behind this net over the gratings?

Thanks for your interest Ewe.
I am at the moment only toying with the netting idea and just made a rough bit to cover the larger opening for the grate to see if it looked ok and could be secured in an historically acceptable way. The gun deck would need a lot of ventilation and heavy wood grating throughout doesn’t seem clever. The heavy barrels and balls would be more easily moved if netting were in place.
The use of side and overhead “splinter netting” was mentioned with regards to Mary Rose, by K-H Marquardt.
I figured that folk in the forum might have way more knowledge than I and I would get feedback.

 

[Charles QC]

Saw a documentary about the wreck not long ago
How they found skeleton and deducted their function aboard the ship.

 

[Uwek]

Thanks for your interest Ewe.
I am at the moment only toying with the netting idea and just made a rough bit to cover the larger opening for the grate to see if it looked ok and could be secured in an historically acceptable way. The gun deck would need a lot of ventilation and heavy wood grating throughout doesn’t seem clever. The heavy barrels and balls would be more easily moved if netting were in place.
The use of side and overhead “splinter netting” was mentioned with regards to Mary Rose, by K-H Marquardt.
I figured that folk in the forum might have way more knowledge than I and I would get feedback.

Understood.
Splinter netting was a netting formed of small rope rigged on a man-of-war to prevent accidents from splinters and falling spars in action

splinter-netting — definition, examples, related words and more at Wordnik

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As I know, but it can be also some exemptions:
So it was installed over the open decks to prevent the seamen - but usually were not installed as a netting over the openings / hatches to lower decks.
I guess that the Mary Rose had this construction - usually also for anti-boarding:


Usually gratings were installed over the hatches, which had the chess-board openings for ventilation.
These gratings could be lifted and removed for loading and unloading activities.
When it was raining the gratings were covered with tared (or other) canvas

BTW: The Mary Rose ships dog was named "Hatch"

Hatch, the ship's dog. - The Mary Rose

The ship's dog, nicknamed Hatch by our team, is one of the more popular exhibits at The Mary Rose, but who was he, and why was he on board?

maryrose.org

 

[ikecurran]

Thanks for that, I did know what splinter netting was which is why I’m toying with using it, there were two types, overhead and side. Side netting was in use for anti boarding as well as splinter. Overhead netting was used in battle primarily ( as I understand it) to give protection against falling masts or spa etc. I also made mention of the wooden hatches, so was also aware of those in general use, still today, I even had one on the boat I worked for 10 years. My concept is that during battle, it makes more sense to have used netting rather than the heavy grating. So I searched for information and came up with a reference by K H Marquart

Marquart, in his book on rigging mentions both types of netting, though he does indeed go into more detail on the overhead netting. Marquardt also mentions that such netting had a long history, and that its use in the Mary Rose contributed to the high loss of life by trapping crew members when she capsized in 1545.
I’ve not seen anything that says the concept of th splinter net on the build would be out of place

I did see the picture of “hatch” or his bones, posted on another Mary rose build but thanks )

 

[ikecurran]

Saw a documentary about the wreck not long ago
How they found skeleton and deducted their function aboard the ship.

Yes, I watched that one too, very interesting but there is so much not known about the Mary rose. Even the paintings of that era are wierd with a lack of reality. It’s the details like decks and smaller things like hatches that are gleaned from what “experts” write

 

[ikecurran]

I have created an upper forward deck an will now do same for stern, then LOTS of tidying and finishing of main deck and shape before hull planking

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[Derek Payne]

The longest is about 1.5 cm

Hello Ike, My name is Derek Payne, I live in the UK and am nearing completion of my first ship modle the Barque Endeavour from a Caldercraft kit.
Ihave jst taken delivery of a kit for my next model the Mary Rose, again by Caldercraft, the same kit as you have. As you have found the kit is of the ship after a refit that seems to hve reduced the number of deck in hte Stern Castle, however you said that you will be adding the decks back in.
Having spent some time at the Mary Rose Museum I then found a very good book showing the original build with scale drawings showing the original deks superimposed with the remains of the ship's hull and also the armamants with drawing of the cannons etc.
The book is:- Tudor Warship MAry Rose, by Douglas McElvogue ISBN978-1-84486-275-7 publisher Bloomsbury Publishing plc www.bloomsbury.com
Best wishes
Derek Payne

 

[ikecurran]

Hi DEREK, thanks for that info, I’ll follow it up, just realised I have that book in kindle form lol
I’ve just cut out the extra stern deck and roughly fitted

 

[ikecurran]

And the work progresses, although I sometimes have no idea how I’m going to achieve some things, I’m taking one step at a time
I have stated shaping the bow.

 

[ikecurran]

Getting things in the right place so that I can do the extra deck forward and aft

 

[ikecurran]

shapping bow



I decided to start making the smaller items also following Graham’s Mary Rose I’m going to do as much on the deck and internally . The small items are taking a lot of time but I’m enjoying the fiddly nature, I’ve made x2 extra ladders so I can use them in the eventually added decks.

 

[Charles QC]

Nice work
They did learn a lots about the wreck

 

[ikecurran]

I am still working on the hatches, trying to decide a direction. I honestly don’t think the hatches were covered. I’ve played with netting but I have decided to make my own grates out of a sheet of 2mm thick ply.

 

[ikecurran]

My build has moved on a fair bit, this post is showing mainly the first planking layer

 

[ikecurran]

The planning of how I want to have this vessel looking when finished has been affected by so much input. I’ve looked at 4 builds of it and also studied the various posts which have helped. I will be building what I think she may have looked like.

 

[ikecurran]

I have been very affected by the build by Graham. As well as input from members and the museu. The colours in the Anthony roll, while fanciful, seem to fit the time.


I think of all the images he one below seems to me to be the more likely.




so this is the direction my build has ended up.

 

[bigpropdoc]

I have been very affected by the build by Graham. As well as input from members and the museu. The colours in the Anthony roll, while fanciful, seem to fit the time.View attachment 215742


I think of all the images he one below seems to me to be the more likely.



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so this is the direction my build has ended up.

I came to the same conclusion as you saw from the pics I posted before on your log.
My forecastle is now formed to suit and I am continuing the same style with the summer castle. One thing i added was access points. Neither the kit drawings nor the McElvogue drawings show much in the way of access except on the main deck.
Although I see that you are adopting the Anthony Roll double pointed prow
Good luck with your build