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Modelship Dockyard - New Kit [Modelship Dockyard] PoF H.M.S. Enterprize 1774, the 1/48 version!

It may be the photo but it looks like the forward most shroud has been served its entire length as was done on the actual ships. Nicely done.
Allan
 
Anyone recently received this model shipped from China? What (if any) was your experience with paying tariffs?
Planning on ordering, but want to know what I'm getting into!
 
I HAVE contacted Dry-Dock; but since they simply pass the orders on to ModelShip Dockyard in China, they have no part in the shipping process. Their response was basically "no one has contacted us about paying tariffs" which is not quite the information I'm looking for. Would still be interested in hearing from any US modellers who received their kits in April or May.
 
hmcarlin said:
I HAVE contacted Dry-Dock; but since they simply pass the orders on to ModelShip Dockyard in China, they have no part in the shipping process. Their response was basically "no one has contacted us about paying tariffs" which is not quite the information I'm looking for. Would still be interested in hearing from any US modellers who received their kits in April or May.
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Hello

In April nobody paid tarriffs in States.in May only one kit was sold to Usa from Modelship Dockyard and gpt delivered and thracking does not shows any fees that had to pay but i contacted the customer and waiting for reply,hopefully he will reply.So far in June there will be 2-3 delivery and shall see if any tariffs on them.
 
hmcarlin said:
Anyone recently received this model shipped from China? What (if any) was your experience with paying tariffs?
Planning on ordering, but want to know what I'm getting into!
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Bought a USS Enterprise. tariffs did NOT affect purchase price or delivery.
 
Curious too in general... I'm unfortunately holding off on any purchases until very clear clarification. I'm interest in several models at Dry-dock models from China, most in the $500+ range. I wish I ordered back, when this mess was absent. A 10%, 20% or 125% at any given time make a significant difference. What happen if I order now and tariff are raised before shipping or while in transit? Will tariff applied at the time of order, or later once shipped? Will the shipment be hold at custom until payment, how do we get notified, can we cancel order then, how the payment made and to who, etc.

With all the unknowns, purchasing choice and availability is way down. This is a shame... it is the small retailer paying the price via order reduction for the time being. Btw Dry-Dock Models & Parts is one of my favorite's retailers, facilitating access to quality kit/accessories from China. This situation is not their doing or even under their control.
 
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Loracs said:
Curious too in general... I'm unfortunately holding off on any purchases until very clear clarification. I'm interest in several models at Dry-dock models from China, most in the $500+ range. I wish I ordered back, when this mess was absent. A 10%, 20% or 125% at any given time make a significant difference. What happen if I order now and tariff are raised before shipping or while in transit? Will tariff applied at the time of order, or later once shipped? Will the shipment be hold at custom until payment, how do we get notified, can we cancel order then, how the payment made and to who, etc.

With all the unknowns, purchasing choice and availability is way down. This is a shame... it is the small retailer paying the price via order reduction for the time being. Btw Dry-Dock Models & Parts is one of my favorite's retailers, facilitating access to quality kit/accessories from China. This situation is not their doing or even under their control.
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Hi

I will send you later a DM here on SOS with some informations.
 
Maybe it's time to make more kits in other countries including the US or Canada for the North American markets. Assuming there are no such tarriff increases in other countries I will just work with just US numbers. Did a little research and found the following:

Cost of labor for a ship model kit is from 20% to 35% of the total cost.
Cost of labor in China is from $3.00 to $5.05 per hour. For this example I am using $4.
IF these figures are accurate, (a big IF) for a $500 kit at pre tariff increases, labor costs are anywhere from about $100 to $175 Worst case, 35% X $500 =$175 total labor.
$175/$4 = about 44 hours Using a minimum wage in the US of $15 --- $15 X 44= $660. Non-labor costs remain the same- 65% of $500 = $325. Total cost would be $325+$660 = $985
With a tariff of 125%, the $500 kit would increase $625 to $1125.
Price for kits made "locally" could be less than importing, thus the whole point of the tariffs.

I am curious to know the true hourly wage for kit makers in China to see if this makes sense. Perhaps the wage is on the low end, say $2 or $3. If that is the case, it would still be less expensive to import with the high tariff than making locally.

If skilled labor prices versus minimum wage for the folks making parts come into play, the cost to make kits here would probably not be competitive with China prices even with the tariff.

If anyone has better/more accurate and complete information, that would be great to see.

Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Maybe it's time to make more kits in other countries including the US or Canada for the North American markets. Assuming there are no such tarriff increases in other countries I will just work with just US numbers. Did a little research and found the following:

Cost of labor for a ship model kit is from 20% to 35% of the total cost.
Cost of labor in China is from $3.00 to $5.05 per hour. For this example I am using $4.
IF these figures are accurate, (a big IF) for a $500 kit at pre tariff increases, labor costs are anywhere from about $100 to $175 Worst case, 35% X $500 =$175 total labor.
$175/$4 = about 44 hours Using a minimum wage in the US of $15 --- $15 X 44= $660. Non-labor costs remain the same- 65% of $500 = $325. Total cost would be $325+$660 = $985
With a tariff of 125%, the $500 kit would increase $625 to $1125.
Price for kits made "locally" could be less than importing, thus the whole point of the tariffs.

I am curious to know the true hourly wage for kit makers in China to see if this makes sense. Perhaps the wage is on the low end, say $2 or $3. If that is the case, it would still be less expensive to import with the high tariff than making locally.

If skilled labor prices versus minimum wage for the folks making parts come into play, the cost to make kits here would probably not be competitive with China prices even with the tariff.

If anyone has better/more accurate and complete information, that would be great to see.

Allan
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Forst of alm the tariff is not 125% ,it is 34% and goes to 10% in 2-3 months according of Trump.The as for your calculation was created out of tin air
 
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I would be interested in knowing how many models are being made annually.
Say for example ZHL.
 
zoly99sask said:
The restcof your calculation was created out of tin air
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Hi Zoly
For the 125% I went with the worst case Lorac posted just as an example. For toys and models and such it was actually higher to start before being reduced to 30% This was reduced from 145% in a recent agreement between the two countries.

For my calculations the initial data was based on some research I did over the past couple hours. I did not make these up out of thin air. I am totally open to seeing additional information whether it contradicts or confirms the information I found. If the numbers I show are indeed correct, and the tariff is only 30%, I cannot see a way we can have these kits made in the US for a price that is the same or lower than from China.

Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Zoly
For the 125% I went with the worst case Lorac posted just as an example. For toys and models and such it was actually higher to start before being reduced to 30% This was reduced from 145% in a recent agreement between the two countries.

For my calculations the initial data was based on some research I did over the past couple hours. I did not make these up out of thin air. I am totally open to seeing additional information whether it contradicts or confirms the information I found. If the numbers I show are indeed correct, and the tariff is only 30%, I cannot see a way we can have these kits made in the US for a price that is the same or lower than from China.

Allan
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Does your "cost of labor" include the labor of the design process? Granted, it is spread out over all the models created of that ship, but I can't imagine that the market would be that large for a kit in the range of $1000 USD.
 
Hi Jeff,
I don't know if the design costs are included in the labor percentage figures I found. I searched for total percentage of labor cost to the total retail price as well as current typical wages in China and in the US. Looking at Department of Labor information the Fed minimum wage here in the US is actually much lower than $15 but highest cases for basic labor in many states is much higher with minimum of about $15 per hour or close to it. The entire effort was just to find enough information to see if the Chinese companies such as Dockyard could justify setting up a small local manufacturing shop here or in Canada. I have no idea what the market for these kits would be in China, but I do wonder if the market here in North America is actually larger than in China itself for these high quality kits.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Jeff,
I don't know if the design costs are included in the labor percentage figures I found. I searched for total percentage of labor cost to the total retail price as well as current typical wages in China and in the US. Looking at Department of Labor information the Fed minimum wage here in the US is actually much lower than $15 but highest cases for basic labor in many states is much higher with minimum of about $15 per hour or close to it. The entire effort was just to find enough information to see if the Chinese companies such as Dockyard could justify setting up a small local manufacturing shop here or in Canada. I have no idea what the market for these kits would be in China, but I do wonder if the market here in North America is actually larger than in China itself for these high quality kits.
Allan
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The bigest market for them is China ,much larger than you think ,also they have more model builders than the West and they are all young people not seniors or middle aged man like on the West
 
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