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My ignorant questions about ships and model building

Hi all,
I will try to put all my ignorant quarries in this thread.

1. First is, does anybody know the USD price of this goodie? Tabletop Organizer

2. Second is, what is all the 'added' stuff on the rear/stern/aft of the tall ships? Kinda looks like passenger compartments or something fancy back there. It seems to look stepped higher and higher.
Does it have a name?
The taller it is the more I like it tho. :)

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Thanks,
My philosophy is that when new there are no dumb questions. We all start somewhere. Ask on . . . I keep doing this and possibly with some incredulous head shaking by other experienced SoS members. PT-2
 
LOL I didn't say dumb, I said ignorant which means a lack of knowledge.

I have another. How come the bolts or screws that hold the planking to the frame/bulkheads aren't modeled? I know they didn't use glue. How did they do it?
 
How come the bolts or screws that hold the planking to the frame/bulkheads aren't modeled?
I am not familiar with the specific model. But in general, I would guess??.. scale, omitted from instructions or both. You will typically find many small details missing from a model kit if you research close enough, especially kits in 1:64 scale or smaller. Many modelers will spend an enormous amount of time doing research to add a lot of extra details from scratch, where others will choose to build the kit SOB (straight-out-of-the-box). Another thing to remember - planking on models is generally very "stylized" especially at smaller scales.

Hope this helps.
 
OK, another one of my quarries.
Does/did anybody build derelict models??? It's a love of mine to build old run down and worn out stuff.
Is there anybody else out there who liks 'em too?
 
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OK, anther one of my quarries.
Does/did anybody build derelict models??? It's a love of mine to build old run down and worn out stuff.
Is there anybody else out there who liks 'em too?
Hey Rick, Have you seen @shelk and his Santissima Trinidad? Plenty of distressing and aging on that ship. He also has some great posts that go into some of the aspects of his processes.
 
Alright, here's another;

Doesn't anybody kit any USS/US tall ships? I know of the Constitution, it's quite famous, but are there any others?
I ask cus I was born and raised in the states and thot I'd build 'my own tall ships kits'.
Could I get a list of what you know?
Thanks,
 
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Model Shipways has the "Rattlesnake", the "Syren", the "Charles W. Morgan" and several others. All US ships. If you look around you will find others as well. I am not talking about Model Shipways out of any loyalty to the brand, it's just the ones I can think of right off hand. Oh - and Bluejacket also has some.
 
I've gone to many model kit sites and search for 'US' or 'USS' ships and in most all cases there is nothing found. That's why I'm asking for your knowledge of US model ships. They are not tagged as US or USS, they are named and the only one I know of is the Constitution.
Wooden Tall ship kits. 15, 16, 17, 1800's.
Thanks again, guys,
 
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I've gone to many model kit sites and search for 'US' or 'USS' ships and in most all cases there is nothing found. That's why I'm asking for your knowledge of US model ships. They are not tagged as US or USS, they are named and the only one I know of is the Constitution.
Thanks again, guys,
are you looking for wooden or plastic kits?
and which time period of which kind of ships you are looking?
 
after a fast research there is f.e. the

USS Susquehanna by WoodyJOE in scale 1:120

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the Constellation by Artesania Latina in scale 1:85

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the Virginia 1819 by Artesania Latina in scale 1:41

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the american schooner Lynx 1812 by Panart in scale 1:62

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the frigate Constitution by Mantua in scale 1:98

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The Bonhomme Richard by Aeropiccola (very old kit) noit available any more

The Bonhomme Richard by Unicorn Models in scale 1:48


and the Bonhomme Richard - Section model by Unicron Models in scale 1:48

 
Until 1777 there were no American ships at all. The American Navy itself started with privateers in sloops who could barely raid British commerce much less move and protect large amounts of cargo themselves. US shipping virtually grew into being over night compared to the centuries of development and long history of Europeans and British. As for models, I was disappointed to learn that there are not many ship kits in wood at all compared to the vast amount of vessels that sailed. Tall ship building is still dominated by scratch building, especially if the vessel is not a well known one. Also, when you go back to the 17th century and before, we know very little of how they were built and sailed compared to ships of the 19th century, where records are well kept and some vessels still exist and are available for study. The farther you go back the less you know as to how your model should appear, and research is spotty at best. You have to rely on old artist's inaccurate wood cut prints and a few bots of text instead of, say, the detail blueprints of hundreds of vessels archived in the Royal Navy of Great Britain. So, even a century, British ship models are prominent in the model world. If you are looking for a specific vessel, you'll probably end up researching and scratch building it yourself. The positive side is you can avoid the frequent inaccuracies found in kits. The negative is that you have to develop the hull shape from whatever information you can find, which is usually tough.
 
Also, there were not many ships built in the US - at all - until the late 1600's. The earliest known ship built in the US was built at an early British colony in Maine in approx, 1607, and that was the Pinnace Virginia - a model I am in the process of finishing. It really wasn't until the early 1700's that ship building really got started and we had no real navy - to speak of - until shortly before the war of 1812. As Darvis has accurately stated, most of the early "navy" ships were privateers and converted merchant vessels. The "Sultana" and "Rattlesnake" are prime examples of this type of ship.
 
Hi all,
I will try to put all my ignorant quarries in this thread.

1. First is, does anybody know the USD price of this goodie? Tabletop Organizer

2. Second is, what is all the 'added' stuff on the rear/stern/aft of the tall ships? Kinda looks like passenger compartments or something fancy back there. It seems to look stepped higher and higher.
Does it have a name?
The taller it is the more I like it tho. :)

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Thanks,
Given that square rigged ships could only move with the wind behind them, the stern galleries would provide
officers with privacy and fresh air before it had passed over 200+ unwashed bodies - and worse.
Galleries across the back were stern galleries - later dispensed with when stern chasers were installed.
The side ones were quarter galleries - as in 'quarter' being the sector between aft and beam
The fiddly bits were referred to (facetiously) as "Gingerbread"
NB "facetious" includes all five vowels in the right order.
 
Very interesting but 1/2 ships don't interest me.
You are always so helpful and I appreciate it immensely. Thanks again, Uwek.
Well, build what you DO like. That is the point after all. What vessels ARE your favorite? USS Rattlesnake is a favorite of mine. It's a cute little commerce raider with 20 cute little six pounders.
 
Well, build what you DO like. That is the point after all. What vessels ARE your favorite? USS Rattlesnake is a favorite of mine. It's a cute little commerce raider with 20 cute little six pounders.
If I had to pick a favorite it might be the USS Constitution but I've looked into building that and I believe it's far to advanced for me. I've never built a ship before. I'm working on my first as we type. :)
Thanks, Kurt.
 
If I had to pick a favorite it might be the USS Constitution but I've looked into building that and I believe it's far to advanced for me. I've never built a ship before. I'm working on my first as we type. :)
Thanks, Kurt.
I would suggest USS Rattlesnake or US Brig Syren, both by Model Shipways. Excellent American kits for beginners, and accurate too. They have a model of the Niagara also. It took part in the Battle of Lake Erie.
 
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