Yup that's the one Kurt
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Is this the Victory? I didn't know it had a sprit topmast.
That was the HMS Victory from 1737. The one you are thinking of, which is in drydock today, was launched in 1765.
Yes,they are not the same Victory ,there were other Victory ships too,the 1737 looks different not just the stern
The shown ship was a 100-gunner with the name Victory kaunched in 1737
The 'Victory’ itself was built in the Royal Dockyard, Portsmouth and measured 174 feet along the gun deck by 50 feet in the beam and had a tonnage of 1921 (builders old measurement). In 1744, a formidable fleet, commanded by Admiral Sir John Balchen in the 'Victory’, was sent to relieve Gibraltar; broke the blockade of the river Tagus in Portugal and drove the French fleet into Cadiz. Balchen was returning to England when his fleet was scattered by a violent gale on 4 October. So much damage was done that the 'Victory’ was lost with all hands, nearly 1200 men, in the Western Approaches of the English Channel.
all together there wre 4 ships with the name Victory with 100 guns over the time existing, launched in 1675, 1695, 1737 and the last and actual in 1765
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The last one, which is still existing was launched in 1765 - in the beginning with this appearance
with an open stern balconies and a totaly different figurehead
so beautifull
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some of us members, as we know more about ships and the history of the HMS Victory, would be happy, if a kit would be developed with the older appearance, but most of the modelers know only the actual look of the Victory, exhibited now in Portsmouth - therefore I do not know, if the market for the old Victory would be so big......
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The model looks great.
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Value of good timber? The UK only stocks the bare minimum, particularly if milled for model ships. I have to get it overseas, even the shipping is prohibitively expensive. For a kit to come with better timber it would probably be cost effective for me. Not this kit though, I must have been on Victory 100 plus times, working on the yard all my lunch breaks were onboard! Even the curator was my neighbour and bar propping mate!
I've seen enough of her.
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I agree with Rafico & Bryan there are more than enough Victory models out there, and for $1400 ???? I find this very questionable even with upgrades, Occre have never to my knowledge used expensive woods to such an extent to amount to such a price tag if anything they have been chosing the cheapest option in regards to some parts like metal cast boats and even plastic blocks and deadeyes etc..to make the most profit that and re issuing certain ship plans that are very similar in reality to that of similar types of ships, Terror/Erebus, San ildefonso/Montanes,
N S Mercedes/Diana are the ones that spring to mind for me.
Are we definitely sure it's the VICTORY???
Occre says of their New kit it will
"To change the course of the history of Naval Modelling"
I will probably be wrong but another Victory kit no matter what version it is does not relate to the above quote that I know of.
So here is my tuppence proposition.
What about :
"The Fighting Temeraire"
(HMS TEMERAIRE) a 2nd Rate 98 gun ship of the line that "CAME TO THE RESCUE of HMS VICTORY" during Trafalgar and captured 2 French ships winning public renown in Britain.
Of course I maybe completely wrong as well. If it isn't HMS TEMERAIRE then at least its maybe a good shout for a company to produce this ship as a kit for its historical feats and involvement in TRAFALGAR.
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To you and me, it's just HMS Victory out of the box for big rip-off money. For a normal person, wow, he must have this model because it is limited, and Occre makes it, and in general it will be worth a lot when assembled. It was the same with HMS Erebus, people make the same model twice because... that's the story. And the quality of workmanship, according to buyers, is 5 stars.
There is only one problem - what will someone say who makes this model from scratch and sees the ready-made model for €1,400 as the only and limited one? You will judge it for yourself if someone compares your wooden model to the box model as the same quality because it is unique and limited.
Someone should make a video showing the differences between the HMS Victory kits on the market today showing the differences in the details and comparing them to photos of the real ship. A builder who has built a Victory from each of the kit manufacturers could work with other builders to take photos of various parts of the model from the same angle for each model. I'm sure there are enough Victory builders out there to accomplish this.
Hi.
It is likely that it will be HMS Victory and that the kit will be called HMS VICTORY - PREMIUM KIT.
It is likely that it will be HMS Victory and that the kit will be called HMS VICTORY - PREMIUM KIT.
remember, ship base not incluted
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You got that right, I think the old style balconies are the best looking version of the Victory.
Based on the reminder for this "special event", which will take place tomorrow, I was looking at the advertisements by Occre on facebook
but important are these small information they gave in the last weeks about this new release
A new concept - a new construction method - cutting edge materials
More than 4.000 pieces - a unique, extraordinary and masterful recreation
A piece that is part of naval history,. This limited edition is a tribute to naval history
More than 2 years of development. ...... it is about to change the rules of the game
Incomparable excellence - created to change the course of the history of naval modeling
This model has to be the modeling perpetuum mobile - after these words - I hope that I will be not disappointed..... I expect something really great
but important are these small information they gave in the last weeks about this new release
A new concept - a new construction method - cutting edge materials
More than 4.000 pieces - a unique, extraordinary and masterful recreation
A piece that is part of naval history,. This limited edition is a tribute to naval history
More than 2 years of development. ...... it is about to change the rules of the game
Incomparable excellence - created to change the course of the history of naval modeling
This model has to be the modeling perpetuum mobile - after these words - I hope that I will be not disappointed..... I expect something really great
so another HMS Victory ........
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Another HMS Victory model, only in the Admiralty version. I don't think it will be a different model since it was already on the Internet. A similar model was the Admiralty version of HMS Bounty from Deagostini. Not everyone wants such a model, it is certainly unique, but it does not have the "wow" effect.
I just remember, that I saw something like this (Vic in somehow admirality) by accident - this was more several open bulkheads simulating a framing - yes I remember
Let us wait until tomorrow and we will see the new model in real