October, 21st - The Main Event

Artesania Latina said:
We invite you to watch the series of videos that we are publishing, they include all the part numbers, instructions, tips, tasks to be made, measurements, technical drawings, in short, 100% complete assembly instructions and in our opinion, clearly superior to traditional step by step with pictures.
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Hmm, interesting idea. Sometimes a video is the best way to pass information, especially about processes like how to plank. But I'm far from certain that a video is the best way to transmit a rigging plan or a multi page list of part numbers.

So there are no drawings, no list of part numbers for checking contents and finding pieces, no written instructions? All replaced with a lot of screen time, scrolling back and forwards, dodging the ads? There's no way to tick off the completed items or make notes. No way to quickly refer to operations needed to be considered when planning modifications. And how many modellers wish follow the sequence of operations exactly? With no paper plan how do I build new parts when I break something?

I've had a look at the videos and find the subtitles very hard to read and transient. There's no transcript. Effectively no words at all. The individual videos are numbered with no title to suggest what is covered, making looking things up very difficult indeed.

Depending on these videos alone would be very inconvenient for me, an old guy with worn out eyes. No, more than inconvenient - it would be impossible. There's also an assumption that everyone is online with a reliable connection, and indeed that they want to be.

I wonder too how the people who build this kit in ten or twenty years time will manage. Some of the kits in my collection are older than that, and I wonder whether You Tube will be there in 20 years - it wasn't there 20 years ago and there are many things that we thought would last forever, which are now gone from our screens. Some manufacturers are no longer trading - I hope AL will be but nothing is certain. Is it wise for customers to depend on your continuing tech support, without a paper back up.

It seems that this kit cannot be built from the contents of the box alone. Maybe I'm old fashioned and anti-tech but to me that's an incomplete kit. Until this point I loved your Victory and declared it a winner, but with this serious handicap I must revise that opinion. I now think it's a disaster from the modellers point of view, though I guess it will save the costs of printing and YouTube will pay you for attracting views.

As you know, Victory is too big for me anyway so this matter of the kit's instructions won't affect me directly. However, are you planning to omit the paperwork from all of your kits in future? I really hope not.
 
Smithy said:
So there are no drawings, no list of part numbers for checking contents and finding pieces, no written instructions?
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You can find printed inside the kit:
- Detailed parts list
- Sails identification drawings at 1:1 scale
- Plan with views of the model
- Plans with masts and yards drawings at 1:1 scale
- Summary assembly guide with link to videos

Smithy said:
I guess it will save the costs of printing and YouTube will pay you for attracting views.
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The first part is true, we save the printing costs, but not because we want to save them, it would be unpayable to print the instructions we make. Instructions for VASA or Santisima Trinidad, available in PDF and not printed, include hundreds of pages, thousands of pictures, you can check. Unpayable nowadays and a logistics and warehouse problem.
The second part is not correct, we get nothing from youtube, no video is monetized.
 
Well the good news is that the videos are available before you make a purchasing decision. After watching the first 4 or 5, I believe they are enough to guide me through the build. I am actually the opposite of @Smithy in that I always research and make sure there are plenty of videos of a model before I buy them...this is actually the way I found this forum. I don't think I could build a model from written instructions only...I much prefer for someone to show me how....but maybe this will change as my skills improve and I gain confidence.

I think the videos along with 1 or 2 posted build logs would be the best scenario for me. I look forward to members taking on this kit and posting a few build logs....
 
Il modello mi sembra fantastico. E' da tempo che stavo pensando di acquistare il kit Victory di OCCRE. Poi arrivate con questa novità. I video sono ben fatti e abbastanza semplici da seguire. Pensate di fare un pacchetto offerta che comprenda le vernici e le luci led? Pensate di metterlo in vendita su Amazon?

The model seems fantastic to me. I have been thinking about buying the OCCRE Victory kit for a long time. Then you arrive with this new product. The videos are well made and quite simple to follow. Are you thinking of making a package offer that includes the paints and LED lights? Are you thinking of putting it on sale on Amazon?
 
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I wonder if this model is being released as a limited edition or if Artesania will keep the model around for a long time, like Caldercraft has their Victory?
 
Albo74 said:
Il modello mi sembra fantastico. E' da tempo che stavo pensando di acquistare il kit Victory di OCCRE. Poi arrivate con questa novità. I video sono ben fatti e abbastanza semplici da seguire. Pensate di fare un pacchetto offerta che comprenda le vernici e le luci led? Pensate di metterlo in vendita su Amazon?

The model seems fantastic to me. I have been thinking about buying the OCCRE Victory kit for a long time. Then you arrive with this new product. The videos are well made and quite simple to follow. Are you thinking of making a package offer that includes the paints and LED lights? Are you thinking of putting it on sale on Amazon?
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Yes, there will be a pack really soon.
Yes, it will be soon in amazon.
Thanks for your comments!
 
I have a set of the optional led lights for the NEW Artesania Latina HMS VICTORY. However, when testing 5 of the led lights, they all were blinking intermittently. I tried different new 3 volt batteries and the same result. Anyone else tested their led light kit??

I tried reaching out by email to AL, but I have not gotten any response. I have also emailed other questions to them, but again no response.
 
twinturbo said:
I have a set of the optional led lights for the NEW Artesania Latina HMS VICTORY. However, when testing 5 of the led lights, they all were blinking intermittently. I tried different new 3 volt batteries and the same result. Anyone else tested their led light kit??

I tried reaching out by email to AL, but I have not gotten any response. I have also emailed other questions to them, but again no response.
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The lights are supposed to blink intermittently as they would have done at the time I believe.
 
Thanks Reg
Just spent an hour running through a number of them. and found a few odd things about the model, but the videos seem to be very nicely done.
Allan
 
twinturbo said:
I have a set of the optional led lights for the NEW Artesania Latina HMS VICTORY. However, when testing 5 of the led lights, they all were blinking intermittently. I tried different new 3 volt batteries and the same result. Anyone else tested their led light kit??

I tried reaching out by email to AL, but I have not gotten any response. I have also emailed other questions to them, but again no response.
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This is Artesania's homepage. Watch how the lights blink. There is nothing wrong with your set: https://artesanialatina.net/us/en/
 
I am very late to the party and have missed this completely. I hope you do read this Artesania.

Here is my dilemma. My stash was far greater than my life expectancy unless I was Colin McCloud from Highlander.

I had resigned myself not to buy anymore wooden kits........

Then you release Soleil Royal, had to have it as I could see the potential to create something very special

Then you release Santisima, a ship I have long wanted to build and your model is excellent in many respects. I will add that I am probably getting the MOST enjoyment out of working on this model than I have any model of any medium I have built in 47 years of modelling.

Now I never wanted to build Victory as it is too "popular" and to be honest I felt indifference after seeing her in Portsmouth.

HOWEVER, I am probably in the minority but I prefer the new colours she now wears as she no longer resembles a giant bumble bee.

Add to that your kit which has simply blown me away, the hundreds of hours poured into design and development is evident in the videos and all geared towards the modellers enjoyment. I also applaud your decision to embrace her new colour scheme. A brave move considering all the negative comments from many people when they repainted the real vessel.

From never wanting to build Victory, I am now seriously thinking of this kit but only once I have finished Trinidad.

My only other thought is this, you really have raised the bar high, I wonder what you are working on now??????:p:p:p:p:p
 
Nice to read from you again, Nigel. I know what you mean. With buy ing my CNC a few years ago I stopped buying kits, but have until now to many ideas and rojects in my mind.
I hope that you will continue your fantastc log about the Soleil.
 
Thanks Christian

I will return to Soleil at some point this year, I haven't got the headspace for the complexity of it at the moment due to my Wife's current but hopefully not lasting healrt problems.

Soleil does glare at me from the shelf in the spare room where she is currently berthed ROTFROTFROTF
 
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