Soleil Royal - ZHL 1/90 Scale by Paulb [COMPLETED BUILD]

Vfordyce · Sep 18, 2020

paulb said:
A few more pictures...
I noticed that the dummy cannons don't stick out as much because the receptacles for them are more recessed. I'm not sure if I'm going to leave this as is or try and find a solution. I have also painted the gun tackle with diluted Tamiya desert yellow (XF-59) which looks much better than the original white.View attachment 179616 View attachment 179617 View attachment 179618 View attachment 179619 View attachment 179620 View attachment 179621

Wow! There is a big difference. It doesn't look like that on the starboard side, does it? (Just looking at the pictures.) You're doing an amazing job on it, though. I wish I could start on mine while eyeballing yours. Gotta finish Connie and Black Pearl first.

Dematosdg · Sep 18, 2020

Yes... now I remember your previous posting when those sails arrived. I would love to see many pictures of a full rigging process.

Cheers
Daniel

paulb · Sep 18, 2020

Here is the build log of my Heller 1/100 Victory

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ken s · Sep 18, 2020

paulb said:
Here is the build log of my Heller 1/100 Victory

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That's kind of funny.... I'm working on a victory (soleil royale next) just starting to build the masts and yards. Actually, I was hoping to be farther along by now. After watching your build....I'm really looking forward to the SL.

Dematosdg · Sep 18, 2020

paulb said:
Here is the build log of my Heller 1/100 Victory

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Just WOW !!!

Mr.Deep · Sep 19, 2020

paulb said:
It will be fully rigged with sails.View attachment 179630 View attachment 179631 View attachment 179632

Paul please explain How you are going to set sails from Mantua in 77 scale on a model in 90 scale?

paulb · Sep 19, 2020

They are really both the same scale. I've checked the sails against the yardarms on the plans and they fit perfectly, and are really nice! See photos.
Top photo - foremast
Second photo - mainmast
Third photo - bowspirit mast

Mr.Deep · Sep 19, 2020

Paul check not by drawing, but by the dimensions indicated on your plans.

paulb · Sep 20, 2020

I did that and they still look to be a great fit. The plans for the yard arms (at least in this case) match the written dimensions on the plans.

Mr.Deep · Sep 20, 2020

Then I don't understand how this can be?Where did you order the sails?

paulb · Sep 20, 2020

The ZHL Soleil Royal isn't 1/90 scale - it's more like 1/70 or 1/77. I've checked the hull, keel, gun deck lengths against what I could find on the internet and that's what I get.

SOLEIL ROYAL SCALE

	FULL SCALE	MODEL	SCALE	MODEL SCALE
	FEET	IN	FEET
TOP GUN DECK		28	2.33	74.68
UPPER GUN DECK LENGTH		26	2.17
LOWER GUN DECK LENGTH		25.5	2.13
GUN DECK	174.25
LENGTH OF KEEL	151.25	25.75	2.15	70.49
BREADTH	47.00	8	0.67	70.50

RATIOS
TOP GUN DECK/BREADTH			3.5
UPPER GUN DECK/BREADTH	3.71		3.25
LOWER GUN DECK/BREADTH			3.1875
GUN DECK LENGTH SHOULD BE	29.66	2.47	70.50

LENGTH OF KEEL/BREADTH	3.22		3.22
KEEL LENGTH SHOULD BE		25.74	2.15	70.50

GUN DECK/KEEL	1.15
GUN DECK LENGTH SHOULD BE	29.67	2.47


MODEL SCALE=	1/71

LENGTH


		CANNON LENGTH	LENGTH
SHOT WEIGHT	CALIBER	MODEL SCALE, MM	FULL SCALE, FT
4 LB
6 LB			6.00
12 LB
18 LB		43.00	20.31
26 LB

ken s · Sep 20, 2020

paulb said:
The ZHL Soleil Royal isn't 1/90 scale - it's more like 1/70 or 1/77. I've checked the hull, keel, gun deck lengths against what I could find on the internet and that's what I get.

SOLEIL ROYAL SCALE
FULL SCALE MODEL SCALE MODEL SCALE
FEET IN FEET
TOP GUN DECK 28 2.33 74.68
UPPER GUN DECK LENGTH 26 2.17
LOWER GUN DECK LENGTH 25.5 2.13
GUN DECK 174.25
LENGTH OF KEEL 151.25 25.75 2.15 70.49
BREADTH 47.00 8 0.67 70.50
RATIOS
TOP GUN DECK/BREADTH 3.5
UPPER GUN DECK/BREADTH 3.71 3.25
LOWER GUN DECK/BREADTH 3.1875
GUN DECK LENGTH SHOULD BE 29.66 2.47 70.50
LENGTH OF KEEL/BREADTH 3.22 3.22
KEEL LENGTH SHOULD BE 25.74 2.15 70.50
GUN DECK/KEEL 1.15
GUN DECK LENGTH SHOULD BE 29.67 2.47
MODEL SCALE= 1/71
LENGTH
CANNON LENGTH LENGTH
SHOT WEIGHT CALIBER MODEL SCALE, MM FULL SCALE, FT
4 LB
6 LB 6.00
12 LB
18 LB 43.00 20.31
26 LB

Is Mr Deep speechless?

Mr.Deep · Sep 20, 2020

Well, I'm not a representative of ZHL.Questions should be addressed to them .You just need to compare the frames from Mantua with the frames from ZHL.And you will see the difference in scale.The table doesn't say anything.There are no original drawings of this ship.Where does the data on the length and width of the case come from?As a result, change the name of the topic to a scale of 1:70...77.

Mr.Deep · Sep 20, 2020

Now, on the scans of drawings from Mantua, I measured the width of the midsection frame.It turned out about 200 mm.This is without double skinning.Then I measured the width of the case on my model.It turned out about 180 mm.Draw your own conclusions.

paulb · Sep 20, 2020

My numbers come from
https://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=1917

This source exactly matches my book "French Warships in the Age of Sail 1626-1786" by Winfield & Roberts, page 60. The numbers in these references are in the French feet (pieds) and inches (pouces). In order to convert to values accepted today you must multiply by 1.065746 (this information is in the above book on page 2). I used these converted numbers in the above matrix to determine what I think to be the correct scale of 1/71 (approximately).

The scale in the title is 1/90 because that's the advertised scale and I didn't want to confuse people.

clipper randy · Sep 20, 2020

i see that you mentioned and gave some deck camber- i have been puzzled for years now why all the wooden kit models make flat decks

Heinrich · Sep 20, 2020

Inaccuracies on model kits should not be a revelation to anyone anymore. On the otherwise superb and probably industry-setting standard (Luhaiqingkong-manufactured) version of the Royal Caroline sold by ZHL, there are marked discrepancies between the length of the side ornamentations and that of the hull. One builder on this forum (that I know of) has even gone so far as to lengthen the hull to rectify this.

clipper randy · Sep 20, 2020

Heinrich said:
Inaccuracies on model kits should not be a revelation to anyone anymore. On the otherwise superb and probably industry-setting standard (Luhaiqingkong-manufactured) version of the Royal Caroline sold by ZHL, there are marked discrepancies between the length of the side ornamentations and that of the hull. One builder on this forum (that I know of) has even gone so far as to lengthen the hull to rectify this.

ok but is the scale inaccuracy inconsistant throughout the model or just parts ?

BrentonVV · Sep 21, 2020

Building the ZHL Soleil kit myself at the moment too and it looks to be all of the parts in the kit are incorrect to the stated 1/90 scale on the box. However all of the parts are in scale with each other, so it is not a case of multiple scales within the one kit, just a mislabeled scale for the kit overall.

Overall the ZHL kit parts do match quite closely in size to those of both the Mantua and DeAgostini kits which vary from 1/77 for the Mantua and 1/70 for the DeAg, so Paul is pretty spot on with his estimate of 1/71.

paulb · Sep 30, 2020

The top deck cannons are now all installed and rigged.