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Sovereign of the Seas - Mantua by Brian

First day proper and as we all know the kit bowsprit is wrong so made a start rectifying that (more work to do I know).

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If I understand correctly, when the bowsprit was moved off center to pass the foremast, it was usually canted at an angle so that the tip of the bowsprit was at centerline. I've read that in one hopefully reliable source, but forget where.
 
It will probably not comfort you at all but I too had huge problems with the first planking. I am afraid that it the end I lost the rounded bow but did manage a more 'streamlined' version which looks ok in my humble opinion. I know the experts out there would be horrified.
Hi Mike I think I managed to keep the hull shape! although filler and sanding will be needed.
 
Run out of brass pins for the planking, the kit was very poor and only supplied a small bag (approx 50) so on hold now till I receive more.

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Hi Bri--

Good luck with this monster--I did Mantua's 1980s version of this ship and it looks like they haven't fixed a lot of the old issues. Anyway, with respect to pins, for the first planking, I've found that using plastic push pins is a lot easier than the little brass pins they supply. Much easier to put in place and you can pull them out and reuse them when the glue dries. I've always done that and have a huge supply of kit supplied pins I don't know what to do with!
 
Hi Bri--

Good luck with this monster--I did Mantua's 1980s version of this ship and it looks like they haven't fixed a lot of the old issues. Anyway, with respect to pins, for the first planking, I've found that using plastic push pins is a lot easier than the little brass pins they supply. Much easier to put in place and you can pull them out and reuse them when the glue dries. I've always done that and have a huge supply of kit supplied pins I don't know what to do with!
Thx Thomas and a good idea :)

Brian, You are off to a great start and I'm watching closely in the second row. I love your workbench! Magic Mike
Thx Mike and your welcome :)

Could you please tell us where you bought that building slip from.
https://www.hobbies.co.uk/hobbyzone...FoilTwP6LCAKNPr6Nit7fQji_3_CBBjoaAvRpEALw_wcB
 
And I thought we are hard done to @ 20% vat plus handling fees :eek:
It's all down to GREEDExclamation-MarkQuestion-MarkWe're ALL being forked-over by all & sundry - don't get me going on the idiotic ideas on recycling! I'll say just one thing; since when has food waste is NOT gereral waste?
Apologies in that it's sodall too do with ship building, just the 'modern' way of lifeExclamation-Mark:mad:
 
Would filling in the huge spaces between bulkheads, especially at the bow, help? Seems like there should be double or triple the number of bulkheads or they could include filler blocks of some sort of cheap soft wood in the kit so the planking is not a series of straight lines between bulkheads instead of a smooth curve.

Allan
 
Would filling in the huge spaces between bulkheads, especially at the bow, help? Seems like there should be double or triple the number of bulkheads or they could include filler blocks of some sort of cheap soft wood in the kit so the planking is not a series of straight lines between bulkheads instead of a smooth curve.
Allan I won't advance past this stage without being totally satisfied with the shape of the hull if that means a lot of sanding/filler so be it :) they defiantly skimped on the bulkheads.
 
they defiantly skimped on the bulkheads.
Unfortunately, based on the many build logs we see this is a common shortcoming for many kit manufacturers. It's a shame the builder has to make so many additions and changes. We wind up paying for it in materials and labor so it would sure be better if these folks just did it right to start with. How much could an extra 12 or 15 bulkheads cost? It it adds £40 to the cost of the kit, it beats having to buy the extra material do a work around and I would bet most, if not all, buyers would be happy to pay the little extra. Then again, if you can do all the work arounds it improves one's abilities and who knows, maybe a scratch build for the future to build a ship that has not been done a 1000 times before. :)
Allan
 
Brian,

Looking good.

I am interested in one of these for my project - I looked on their site;

Technical data from site for this product;

- Base size: 100cm x 25cm
Base size of 100cm × 25cm (holds keels up to 100cm).

Their data seem odd.

Could you measure it for me - looks to be much larger

Thanks....

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NEVERMIND -- I JUST FIGURED IT OUT :eek:


Maximum Keel Length: Up to 100 cm (39.4")

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This is correct glad you worked it out john (bloody metric system upsetting our American friends :eek: ) ROTF
Indeed -- So tried to order one - all good until my required phone number - kept coming up red in that field - even after trying several different digit/spacing formats- :eek: I sent them an email asking for advice ---- all Good!!!

Cheers,
 
You are correct Brian,She would not have had belaying pins. Same issue with the hearts which appear to be for the stays. She would not have had any of these, but rather there would be deadeyes.
Allan
From Lees' Masting and Rigging English Ships of War
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I love the following contemporary hand colored engraving from RMG. It would make a great background picture behind and above the finished model. Note the flags. ensign and pendants.
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Are there other sources that corroborate Lees statement about the timing of the introduction of belaying pins into the English Navy? The reason I ask is that the Vasa (1628) has belaying pins and even if the Swedes invented them, which I doubt, it seems odd that it would take decades for such a useful device to find its way to England. For what it's worth, the Sovereign of the Seas model at the Naval Academy museum has belaying pins.
 
R.C. Anderson, in his book "The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast" noted that it's likely that most of the running rigging was tied to the rails. He makes little mention of belaying pins and, instead, focuses on cleats and Kevels.
 
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