Staghound...Extreme clipper 1850 by rwiederrich 1/96

Thanks for explaining it guys. Looking at the pictures, particularly that of the Great Admiral, I understand what you are saying.

Roger
 
ClipperFan said:
Rob,
Considering the tiny size of a 1:96th scale structure, I think you did an excellent job, as usual. I was merely pointing out that my delayed conceptual sketch didn't match your brilliant work.
By the way, relocating ship's wheel housing and correcting companion size, a 13' large skylight does fit. I'm about 90% done on the entire 44' poop deck and expect to be done tomorrow.
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Can’t wait. I want to see the skylight,, passage way and binnacle fit next to the wheel and steering box.

Rob
 
Rob,
Here's two scenarios which both fit a 44' poop deck.

(1) 10' skylight, more generous spacing:

2.5' space aft of 6.5' wheel box + wheel, then 2.5' space to 1.5' binnacle, 2.5' space to 5' companion, 1.5' space with heater exhaust pipe in center, 10' long skylight, 4' space to 3.5' stairs to 4.5' aft half of portico roof. Skylight fore end is 12' from poop deck fore and aft end is 22' from poop deck stern.

(2) 13' skylight, tight but not impossible:

2' space aft of 6.5' wheel box + wheel, then 2.5' space to 1.5' binnacle, 2.5 space to 5' companion, 1' space with central heater exhaust pipe, 13' skylight, then 2.5' to 3' stairs to 4.5' aft half of portico roof.
Skylight fore end is 10' from poop deck fore and aft end is 21' from poop deck stern.

Let me know which arrangement makes the most sense to you.
 
Rich……I’m liking the first option. 2.5 ft from skylight to portico stairs is, IMV too tight a working space for the crew. 10ft still meets the requirement of , “a large” skylight, when a 6ft one was typical.
That stove pipe must have been nearly right at the foot of the stair of the companion way stairwell in the main large cabin, if it was one ft forward of the companion way house on deck.

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
Well, I figured it was about time to begin my Staghound build log. The bulkheads are finalizing and are in route soon. That subject will come up for sure...but much has been done off line privately...to save a lot of haggling and recreating Staghounds dimensions. I have several partners who aided me in the research of my last build Glory of the Seas....they, again have come to my aid again and will input most of the particulars of the design and what we have been up to for the last months.
While I waited for the production of the bulkheads...I wanted to work on many items that would take time, during the lull.
First...here is a painting of the Clipper I am going to build....she is Donald McKay's first clipper. His entry into the fast paced world of the ever changing clipper design.

Staghound was an extreme clipper, one that the owners gave Donald McKay full charge of. He designed her, decided on her particulars, and had full card blanch' in her construction.
I will attempt to do her justice.

Firs I began with her namesake...the Staghound figurehead. She is 7/8 long.
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Carving up the figurehead.
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Rob

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I think you're the best I have ever seen. I would like to see other product from you. Where did you get the plans for the 1/96th Staghound?
Yours truly
David Altbaum
 
David's Boats said:
I think you're the best I have ever seen. I would like to see other product from you. Where did you get the plans for the 1/96th Staghound?
Yours truly
David Altbaum
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Me and my talented researchers and CAD programers , developed our own from Donald McKay’s own floor lofted model, made by his son.

It’s been a lot of work. Thanks for looking in.
Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
Rich……I’m liking the first option. 2.5 ft from skylight to portico stairs is, IMV too tight a working space for the crew. 10ft still meets the requirement of , “a large” skylight, when a 6ft one was typical.
That stove pipe must have been nearly right at the foot of the stair of the companion way stairwell in the main large cabin, if it was one ft forward of the companion way house on deck.

Rob
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Rob,
I agree entirely. 13' is just overkill. I also like the balance of the skylight being closer to center as well. I will revise my deck plan to reflect a 10' skylight.
 
David's Boats said:
I think you're the best I have ever seen. I would like to see other product from you. Where did you get the plans for the 1/96th Staghound?
Yours truly
David Altbaum
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David's Boats:
This is actually the 2nd McKay clipper our small consortium has collaborated on to build, pretty much building from scratch. Rob Wiederrich and I were both driven to realize the true appearance of McKay's final medium clipper Glory of the Seas. Believe it or not, our individual research began well over a decade ago. Then about three years ago I joined Rob and shortly later Vladimir assisted with sheer and bulkhead plans. You can see Rob's incredible 1:96th scale finished miniature replica on this site, as well as a sister site: Model ship World. Author Michael Mjelde who's definitely the world's foremost authority on this particular vessel, told Rob that his model is the finest he's ever seen. That doesn't mean Vladimir's even larger 1:72nd scale replica is a slouch. I've included a pic of his so you can see what I mean.
An advantage we have with this Stag Hound reconstruction is Cornelius McKay's impressive 1:48th scale half-hull model which is huge. At 1" = 4' his Builder's model is 4' 8 & 1/2" (2' 4 & 1/4th" at 1:96th scale) since Stag Hound herself was 226' long from taffrail to knight heads. In comparison Glory of the Seas was 265' overall, making Rob's model 2'9" not including bowsprit and Vlad's even larger model at 3'8".
Vladimir's a talented CAD artist and he's doing yeoman's work creating bulkheads for our latest project. He's from Slovakia and has a laser printing contact who can reproduce his CAD designs at any scale. Even though I haven't yet built mine, I have a 1:96th scale Glory of the Seas set and plan to buy another Stag Hound kit.

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ClipperFan said:
Rob,
I agree entirely. 13' is just overkill. I also like the balance of the skylight being closer to center as well. I will revise my deck plan to reflect a 10' skylight.
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Rob,
Breakthrough! 10' skylight can fit exactly in the center of the 32' great room!! It occured to me that the best means to spread light equally is to have the light be in the center of the room. So that's 16' midpoint. Count 5' forward and 5' aft to get placement of the single large skylight. That leaves 3 & 1/2' to base of stairs. Stairs themselves are 3' to 4 & 1/2' aft portico roof. On stern end of skylight (now perfectly centered fore and aft over the 32' long x 13' wide "great room") are the following dimensions: 2 & 1/2' space between aft skylight to fore 6' companion with exhaust stove in center, 2 & 1/2' from aft companion entrance to 1 & 1/2' binnacle, then 2 & 1/2' space to fore end of 6' steering wheel & box, then 2' to stern taffrail.
4.5' + 3' + 3.5' + 5' = 16 to skylight center
from skylight center:
5' + 2.5' + 6' + 2.5' + 1.5' + 2.5' + 6' + 2' = 28' + 16' = 44' total poop deck length.
 
Well I’ll be……….10ft just felt right.
You will have a drawing done with all the spacing and items laid out on deck …..right? That will be a main item I’ll use to set the deck furniture and the deck prisms.

Rob
 
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rwiederrich said:
Well I’ll be……….10ft just felt right.
You will have a drawing done with all the spacing and items laid out on deck …..right? That will be a main item I’ll use to set the deck furniture and the deck prisms.

Rob
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rwiederrich said:
Well I’ll be……….10ft just felt right.
You will have a drawing done with all the spacing and items laid out on deck …..right? That will be a main item I’ll use to set the deck furniture and the deck prisms.

Rob
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Rob
Here's where I am so far. The spacing is such that the 10' skylight is dead center of the 32' great room, 16' back from the poop deck front is skylight center. All lower apartments are positioned with dashed lines to indicate they're on the deck 3' below the poop deck 5' above. Small circles are deck prisms, in scale they're 4 & 1/2" clear green hexagons. Corresponding portholes, except the last #5 would all be positioned on a parallel line to these deck lights. #5 would be on the 8' distance from stern taffrail. Everything else is positioned precisely as I described items earlier. I took the picture before I fit in the last deck prism on the stern. Picture is darker to emphasize details, since the sketch is very light. This is 1:48th scale. I will finish it tomorrow

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Fantastic. I’ll copy this and write in the specific dimensions for each item.

This will also aid in installing the external hull port holes for each outboard cabin.
Thanks Rich

Rob
 
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rwiederrich said:
Fantastic. I’ll copy this and write in the specific dimensions for each item.

This will also aid in installing the external hull port holes for each outboard cabin.
Thanks Rich

Rob
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Rob,
This is at a scale of 1" = 4' (1:48th) so essentially double the 1:96th scale you're working in. I find this scale easier to be more precise in. Mizzenmast is 26" diameter. It's 13" center is 7' away from the poop deck front, thanks to the 2' added by sternpost rake (a hidden dimension which it appears Howard Chappelle either missed or misundetstood importance of). From 44' poop house fore, the portico is 8' square inset 4', with 6" fore & aft overhangs and 1' port & starboard overhangs, making it 4 & 1/2 feet to the stairs. Stairs are 3' deep and thanks to repositioning of the skylight to be dead center of the 32' great room beneath, they're now 3 & 1/2 feet away from 5' fore half of the 10' skylight.
4.5' + 3' + 3.5 + 5 = 16' dead center of 32' great room beneath.
Since poop deck is 44' overall, the rest of the distances equal 28'. Aft half of 10' skylight is 5', there's now a 2.5' space with centrally mounted exhaust stack (now 7' 3" from companion front) between that and 6' long × 5' wide with 3' center sliding opening companion, which matches 5' width of skylight base. Skylight has 1' port and starboard seats, which have 6" overhangs, making base 5', with 12" port and starboard insets, making interior house 3' wide with 1 & 1/2 foot sides. Since sides have 3" overhangs, glass containers are actually 2 & 1/2 wide × 9' deep, due to 6" fore and aft insets. Space in front of companion is now 2 & 1/2' to 1.5' long binnacle with ship's stern bell. Then 2.5' to fore of 6' wheel and steering box, with 2' space to stern taffrail.
5' + 2.5' + 6' + 2.5' + 1.5' + 2 5' + 6' + 2' = 28'. 16' to center of great room beneath + 28' from center of that room to stern taffrail = 44' long poop deck.

Rob, the one dimension I'm still not quite sure of is standard companion opening. If 3' seems too wide, it could be scaled back to 2 & 1/2 feet. That would make companion width 4 & 1/2' wide and 5' long. That extra 1' distance could be split by adding 1/2' to 2 & 1/2' space in front of companion, giving 3' instead of 30". Extra 1/2 foot could be added to space between companion aft and skylight aft, keeping exhaust stove exit 6 & 1/2' from smaller 5' long companion opening. Other than that, I'm comfortable with the rest of the furniture dimensions overall. I plan to finish the deck layout so it's much more visible and share a far better image once done.
 
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rwiederrich said:
I again....took the time to make items for the ship that didn't require the hull....so I next made the many stanchions needed for the fantail, poopdeck rail and the small portico. These stanchions are quite small. The outer rail stanchions are a scale 10"....less that an 1/8".
I first had to tool up on my mini mill the railing itself and drill the stanchion seats.
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Did you do all the drilling & tapping, or were they purchased?
 
Stuart Little said:
Did you do all the drilling & tapping, or were they purchased?
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Stuart Little:
If you're referring to Rob's delicate little turned rail stanchions, they're all hand made. He even shows how much smaller they are in comparison to commercially available ones in an earlier post.
 
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