Staghound...Extreme clipper 1850 by rwiederrich 1/96

Rob,
As promised a few days late, here's my concept illustration of the 44' poop deck layout on Stag Hound. Following Chappelle's layout and the McLean description this 1:48th scale sketch captures all elements described in a logical layout. The sole item that seems a bit tight are the 3' deep heads. But everything else aligns perfectly underneath, exactly as described by The Boston Daily Atlas. As can be clearly seen here, the 32' long salon underneath is a key component to the arrangement of deck furniture above. I've centered the 10' long × 5' wide skylight at the 16' mark above that great room. Dimensions for the large skylight now include a 1' seating space on all four sides. As there's a 3" overhang, that means a 9" inset on all sides. This leaves the interior glass housing at 18" smaller. So it's 3 & 1/2' wide × 8 & 1/2' long. There are 8 equal glass inserts. Similar to what's seen on Glory of the Seas there are wooden venetian blind slats which can be opened or closed for weather conditions. Both sides can be propped open during warm weather. Once placement of the skylight was determined, everything else then fell neatly into place. I reduced companion size to 4 & 1/2' wide × 5' long with a 2 & 1/2' sliding top opening. This opened up the 3' space between the aft end of the skylight and the fore end of the companion, with the centrally mounted heater exhaust stove now being 6 & 1/2' away from the front companion opening. Another small addition is two centrally mounted deck light prisms over both heads, as there's no other source of light for tgem. It's still missing railing for portico roof and poop deck fore, as well as fore ladders to main deck. I will continue refining these details. Knowing how rapidly Rob works, I figure this sketch is sufficient for his needs.

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ClipperFan said:
Rob,
As promised a few days late, here's my concept illustration of the 44' poop deck layout on Stag Hound. Following Chappelle's layout and the McLean description this 1:48th scale sketch captures all elements described in a logical layout. The sole item that seems a bit tight are the 3' deep heads. But everything else aligns perfectly underneath, exactly as described by The Boston Daily Atlas. As can be clearly seen here, the 32' long salon underneath is a key component to the arrangement of deck furniture above. I've centered the 10' long × 5' wide skylight at the 16' mark above that great room. Dimensions for the large skylight now include a 1' seating space on all four sides. As there's a 3" overhang, that means a 9" inset on all sides. This leaves the interior glass housing at 18" smaller. So it's 3 & 1/2' wide × 8 & 1/2' long. There are 8 equal glass inserts. Similar to what's seen on Glory of the Seas there are wooden venetian blind slats which can be opened or closed for weather conditions. Both sides can be propped open during warm weather. Once placement of the skylight was determined, everything else then fell neatly into place. I reduced companion size to 4 & 1/2' wide × 5' long with a 2 & 1/2' sliding top opening. This opened up the 3' space between the aft end of the skylight and the fore end of the companion, with the centrally mounted heater exhaust stove now being 6 & 1/2' away from the front companion opening. Another small addition is two centrally mounted deck light prisms over both heads, as there's no other source of light for tgem. It's still missing railing for portico roof and poop deck fore, as well as fore ladders to main deck. I will continue refining these details. Knowing how rapidly Rob works, I figure this sketch is sufficient for his needs.

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It’s perfect Rich. I can measure out the prisms lights when the time comes.
I needed the companion way measurements, cuz I’m building that next.

I finished the skylight. Here’s some pics.

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ClipperFan said:
Rob,
That's simply gorgeous! It's one of those beautiful creations that's just too lovely to eat. I bet it tasted delicious too.

Rob,
I don't know why it hasn't occured to me to get Peggy an Anniversary cake. That gives me an idea for our 40th next year. Just so delicate looking
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Vic and I are celebrating our 40th next month in Sedona Arizona at a posh resort
Congrats yourself!

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
It’s perfect Rich. I can measure out the prisms lights when the time comes.
I needed the companion way measurements, cuz I’m building that next.

I finished the skylight. Here’s some pics.

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Rob,
To put things in perspective for anybody unfamiliar with 1:98th scale, 1/8th" = 1'. So a 10' long skylight is actually 1 & 1/4ths" long × 6' = 3/4ths" wide. Thats just the base. As each side is inset 1' it makes the small glass house 8' or 1" long × 4' or 1/2" wide. To fit such amazing detail so precisely is fine craftsmanship indeed.
Oh yeah, prisms on a ship were 4 & 1/2" hexagons on the actual vessels. Half of 1/8th" = 1/16th or 6" scale. Half of 1/16th is 1/32nd which is 3" scale, just a bit too small. So essentially, these important prisms will simply be tiny green dots. But Rob wanted to know the proper location of those tiny specs. That's the degree of accuracy we're aiming for.
 
rwiederrich said:
Vic and I are celebrating our 40th next month in Sedona Arizona at a posh resort
Congrats yourself!

Rob
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Rob,
HAPPY 40th ANNIVERSARY ROB & VIC!!!
We just had our 39th last June. My wife is such a trooper, she agreed to go essentially 3 hours out of our way so I could personally see and actually touch "The Lady" the original 154 year old Grecian Goddess Athene who once graced the bow of Donald McKay's final medium clipper Glory of the Seas. That, my friend is love. Our 40th will be next year. I'll have to wrack my brains to think of something worthy of her....
 
ClipperFan said:
Rob,
As promised a few days late, here's my concept illustration of the 44' poop deck layout on Stag Hound. Following Chappelle's layout and the McLean description this 1:48th scale sketch captures all elements described in a logical layout. The sole item that seems a bit tight are the 3' deep heads. But everything else aligns perfectly underneath, exactly as described by The Boston Daily Atlas. As can be clearly seen here, the 32' long salon underneath is a key component to the arrangement of deck furniture above. I've centered the 10' long × 5' wide skylight at the 16' mark above that great room. Dimensions for the large skylight now include a 1' seating space on all four sides. As there's a 3" overhang, that means a 9" inset on all sides. This leaves the interior glass housing at 18" smaller. So it's 3 & 1/2' wide × 8 & 1/2' long. There are 8 equal glass inserts. Similar to what's seen on Glory of the Seas there are wooden venetian blind slats which can be opened or closed for weather conditions. Both sides can be propped open during warm weather. Once placement of the skylight was determined, everything else then fell neatly into place. I reduced companion size to 4 & 1/2' wide × 5' long with a 2 & 1/2' sliding top opening. This opened up the 3' space between the aft end of the skylight and the fore end of the companion, with the centrally mounted heater exhaust stove now being 6 & 1/2' away from the front companion opening. Another small addition is two centrally mounted deck light prisms over both heads, as there's no other source of light for tgem. It's still missing railing for portico roof and poop deck fore, as well as fore ladders to main deck. I will continue refining these details. Knowing how rapidly Rob works, I figure this sketch is sufficient for his needs.

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Rich...we have a couple things to tackle


First, When McLean says, she has "ventilators in her decks". Do you suspect she has ventilators before her fore and main masts like Flying Fish?
Secondly, And this is a big one.....I know we agreed that McLean made a mistake when he said the forecastle was the height of the main rail...but what if he was correct? What if the topgallant deck was at the main rail and the entry to the forecastle deck was, (As it is with the aft cabin), set 3 ft below. And the crew accessed it via a companionway as Crothers depicted in his book I quoted earlier? The patent windless still would fit. The reason I am readdressing it is...if McLean was wrong on this matter...and on several other issues...HOW then can we conclude he wasn't wrong on many other issues? And if we are to conclude his first hand knowledge was derived from actually getting his info from McKay's yard...then we must also conclude his observation of the forecastle must also be correct...and that we are missing something.
That something, I feel, can be found in Crothers depictions of what I am describing. The low topgallant forecastle deck was at the main rail....there was a companionway entry midship that led down to the forecastle deck...where the patent windless was. I'll find the picture from Crothers and post it later.

Wresting with this issue, I concluded that we need to look at this more objectively. We can't assume because we know how it was done on Glory of the Seas, that McKay did the same for his first clipper. I truly doubt it. Crothers says, the low topgallant forecastle was just as prevalent as the high. And to disregard McLean's observation on this...means every other observation he made is under suspect. Personally, I don't want to go there, I trust his highly informed observations. If we are to conclude they were *Highly* informed. Staghound had either a high topgallant...which its deck level was at the monkey rail(our current stance), or she had a low topgallant forecastle, which its deck level was at the main rail. Lowering her ceiling height....but if the forecastle deck was recessed 3ft below...as is the main cabin aft...then there is ample room for the patent windless and working space for the crew.



Chew on this.....

Rob
 
ClipperFan said:
Rob,
HAPPY 40th ANNIVERSARY ROB & VIC!!!
We just had our 39th last June. My wife is such a trooper, she agreed to go essentially 3 hours out of our way so I could personally see and actually touch "The Lady" the original 154 year old Grecian Goddess Athene who once graced the bow of Donald McKay's final medium clipper Glory of the Seas. That, my friend is love. Our 40th will be next year. I'll have to wrack my brains to think of something worthy of her....
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I talked to Vic and she said an East coast trip visiting Mystic, the Constitution and other nautical sights would be in our future.. They are all so close...states back East are tiny little things. Like traveling Europe.

Rob
 
Peter Gutterman said:
How did you make the fine mullions with such perfection at such a small scale?! more process pics please!
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I'm sorry, I didn't take any process pics of these items....just the ones I posted. For windows I use styrene....it is clean and doesn't show the typical grain of wood, at this scale.

One thing you'll need to know about my modeling...right off the bat. I will use anything to accomplish the goal at hand....plastic, wood, metal, paper, wax, composites. I retired as a Denturist and I owned a Dental lab for 20+ years. I have lots of nifty materials and processes, I use to make my models.
I'm not a *Purist* in the sense of the word.... I'm after the final appearance...what it finally looks like...not in what I used(wood) to make it.

Many wood ship model makers...typically, only use wood and metal, when making their reproductions. I am a *Hack*, I use whatever suites me and I will re-engineer any thing to my own purpose.

Rob
 
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