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Staghound...Extreme clipper 1850 by rwiederrich 1/96

Peter Voogt said:
The black color give the hull immediately a different look, Rob. I suppose it gives you new energy.
Regards, Peter
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It does...but I don't like the glossy finish. I like my models mildly weathered and warn. Neat, but showing the results of exposure. A couple of unforeseen issues have arisen. The propellant of the black paint has reacted in some places with the existing primer paint and has caused micro buckling of the under lying finish. basically, the new paint has acted as a solvent on the primer paint and caused some slight defects in the final finish. I will sand those areas down and finish off with an acrylic paint without a solvent based propellant. No matter....it just adds to the realism of the hulls abuse.

I'm deciding whether to copper first or lay the stained decking first. Outside or inside......Cautious

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
It does...but I don't like the glossy finish. I like my models mildly weathered and warn. Neat, but showing the results of exposure. A couple of unforeseen issues have arisen. The propellant of the black paint has reacted in some places with the existing primer paint and has caused micro buckling of the under lying finish. basically, the new paint has acted as a solvent on the primer paint and caused some slight defects in the final finish. I will sand those areas down and finish off with an acrylic paint without a solvent based propellant. No matter....it just adds to the realism of the hulls abuse.

I'm deciding whether to copper first or lay the stained decking first. Outside or inside......Cautious

Rob
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You are right about the glossy finish, Rob. For my Balder I am experimenting with a black semi-gloss finish for the part under the waterline. Perhaps a matted black as a better contrast with the semi-gloss above the waterline. Also to see which one is more forgiving for the little imperfections.
Regards, Peter
 
I've decided to finish the bulwarks and decking, before going along with coppering. I'll follow my process, as with Glory of the Seas.
That means I'll gild the scroll work and weather the hull first.....then the inside.

Rob
 
Peter Voogt said:
You are right about the glossy finish, Rob. For my Balder I am experimenting with a black semi-gloss finish for the part under the waterline. Perhaps a matted black as a better contrast with the semi-gloss above the waterline. Also to see which one is more forgiving for the little imperfections.
Regards, Peter
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A fine dust coat of cerium oxide will weather the hull nicely...and get rid of that shine.......:mad:

Rob
 
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This is what cerium oxide does to the surface of the shiny black. This is the hull of my Glory of the Seas......as I was getting along with coppering her. the stark difference between the two is amazing...and she looks far more realistic...IMV.

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rwiederrich said:
One thing I'm finding out is these early McKay clippers were quite small compared to the later ones that were over 2000 tons and more. Even though Staghound was the largest commercial vessel of her type during her launching...she and her sisters were very narrow in breath. Staghound was only an amazing 24.5ft across just forward of her binnacle. Note this Butterworth painting of a clipper (probably FC) and the scale of men to the ship....not to mention the deck furniture and houses. Everything seams large on deck. Butterworth was known for his scale proportions being correct. So it all seems quite small on deck.


Rob

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As we discussed in greater detail on your Model Ship World build log, Staghound had the slimmest profile for any of McKay's California clipper fleet. Besides having the sharpest 40° angle at half floor she was just 40' at her widest beam. Using both 1881 Hall plans and 1967 Chappelle lines, I adjusted both images to create two halves for the Hall profile and four sections of the Chappelle. Talented Dan at my local Staples then digitally melded both Hall halves and the four Chappelle sections to create two wholes. Other than an oddly pointed stern which doesn't resemble the round one depicted on the Cornelius McKay model the Hall profile is the more graceful one. Meanwhile Chappelle gives a detailed deck layout besides the inaccurate forecastle most likely inspired by Cutty Sark. As a way of comparison I've included an early Flying Cloud plan. Using the same 1881 Hall profile, I've begun the next step of realizing her profile as well. You can see McKay's evolving design philosophy as his 2nd clipper is 10' longer, a slighly wider beam with a 30° profile at half floor. Incidentally, both  Staghound profiles are printed out at 1:96th scale a full 28" long.

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Rob, this is my lightened up, better defined initial aft poop deck sketch done at 1:48" scale, double the 1:96 scale your building on. To get an idea of proper accurate scale, I used the larger scale which illustrates the challenges faced in creating deck furniture accurately to scale. For instance an 8' portico is essentially a 1" square while a 10' x 4' skylight is 1 & 1/4" x 1/2". In between is a stove pipe with a 1 & 1/2' vent cover which is 3/16" after that is a 5' long x 4' wide companion is 5/8" x 1/2" a 3' x 1' binnacle is 3/8" x 1/8" deep and a 6' long × 3" wide wheelhouse is 3/4" long x 3/8" wide with a 4' being 1/2" ship's wheel.

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Peter Gutterman said:
@ Cliperfan, what is the origin of the Flying Cloud plan and by whom? Date?

Pete
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Pete, this was on a Callen Clark Models Facebook site but there was no other reference as to its origins. As to exact hull accuracy, I would rely on the Hall diagram which is why I shared both halves of it. I like this particular deck layout which displays a more modest rear portico more in keeping with that seen on Staghound.
 
ClipperFan said:
Pete, this was on a Callen Clark Models Facebook site but there was no other reference as to its origins. As to exact hull accuracy, I would rely on the Hall diagram which is why I shared both halves of it. I like this particular deck layout which displays a more modest rear portico more in keeping with that seen on Staghound.
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It's also more in keeping with the layout on my model. I was curious about the windlass. But then i uncovered Rob's discussion about the patent capstan on his Stag Hound log on Model Ship World.

Thanks, Pete
 
The deck layout matches my father’s Flying Cloud Model. The fittings he used are clearly from A.J. Fisher, but the plans that I have found are Popular Mechanics.

Date wise, the model was a wartime project. When the war ended he abandoned it to begin construction in our side yard of an L. Francis Herreshoff designed Prudence sloop that we sailed on Lake Erie. So, information to build the model would have come from the late 1930’s.

The late 1930’s were a Renaissance for model ship building popularized by serial articles in Popular Mechanics and Mechanics Illustrated. These were published on the heels of the HAAMS survey. Howard Chapelle was the director of this survey. While the published plans from this survey are well known, I have never seen anything written about information found in addition to that from measuring actual vessels. Chapelle does make numerous references to the Hall Survey in his writings. The old A. J. Fisher catalogs (memorized by me as a kid) would indicate that their selection of models was heavily influenced by the HAAMS survey.

Roger
 
Now that I'm over the kidney stones....I plan on sanding and adding a second coat of white.....then placing the stained decking.

Then to the stanchions and waterways

Rob
 
Kidney stones! Yikes!:eek: Speaking from experience, drink LOTS of filtered water with lemon juice (I like stevia leaf as a natural non sugar sweetener). I mean, religiously! At least 8-10 oz. three times a day! (It doesn't have to be too puckery sour.)Cautious
(As with the introduction to all good sailor stories) THIS IS NO SH**T!!!
I've been doing this as per the urologist's instruction since my last (and third) bout. No recurrence!

LEMON JUICE! T-I-N-S!!!

Your Humble and Obedient Servant, Pete;)
 
I celebrated my birthday with one back in 1981. In those days no laser blaster. They went up into you via your urinary tract.

The Urologist told me that the most common type is like scale in the bottom of a tea pot. Hence lots of fluids to flush them out. They are particularly common in people who live in hot humid climates. Washington DC?

Roger
 
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