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To Build or Not to Build According to Howard I. Chapelle

It should be mentioned that the NAVIGA rules also provide the option to contest organizers to award cash prizes. From what I've heard, these can be substantial in the international championships. Apparently, none of the Western Hemisphere nations support national ship modeling organizations affiliated with NAVIGA, so North American ship modelers are unable to participate in what is a very active international "sport" (as they consider it) in the rest of the world. The NAVIGA rules are somewhat like the Olympics. Competitors must be citizens and residents of the nation they represent in the international competitions and members of their national ship modeling association.

We don't have a national NAVIGA-qualifying ship modeling association here in the U.S. Looking at just the static models online, perhaps it's because we've got a lot of catching up to do before the average modeler here could be at all competitive.

NAVIGA does not only hold competitions for "static" or "display" models. It has other competitive classes for self-propelled and sail-propelled ship models, radio controlled and otherwise, and racing classes for various sailboat and hydroplane models, too!
 
we do not have a national organization other than the NRG. There are regional rules for contests. Here are some definitions for scratch building


Pacific Coast Region
MODEL CONTEST
JUDGING GUIDELINES

SCRATCH BUILDING
“This deals with all parts of the model which have been FABRICATED BY THE BUILDER.” (PCR
Contest Directory)
How much did the modeler build from scratch, and how difficult was the scratch building?
This category deals with all parts of the model which have been fabricated by the modeler
from basic wood, metal, plastic, or other shapes and materials. Are major portions of the model built
from scratch, or just some parts and details? Consider the amount of effort required to convert basic
materials into finished parts. Bending grabirons from wire, for example, is less difficult than
soldering together piping or railings. Consider any planning or design work that was necessary.
Drawing your own plans is considered part of scratch building, if the plans are submitted with the
model. Scratch building from prototype plans, photos, or measurements is usually more difficult than
scratch building from kit plans or a magazine article.
Casting or photo-etching is considered scratch building, although less difficult than making
several identical parts from scratch. Did the modeler carry out all the steps from a scratch-built
master to finished duplicates, or were either the masters or the duplicates created by others?


National Contest Class Specific Rules
IPMS/USA National Convention
Conversions and Scratch-Built:
A scratch-built entry is one for which there is no commercially available kit. The modeler develops the entry using scratch-building materials and methods to create the parts and model in accordance with plans.

A totally, or primarily, 3D printed model is not considered scratch built.
Commercially available detail parts (i.e., photoetch, resin, 3D print, metal) may be used in the completion of the model, but will not comprise the major portion of the scratch- built entry.
A conversion entry is a commercially available kit which has its class, configuration, or silhouette SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGED by the modeler, using either a commercially available conversion set, scratch-building materials or parts from another model. The effectiveness or complexity of the conversion or scratch-built entry may be considered.
 
first and foremost, i would like to welcome Greg Davis to the faculty of the School for Model Shipwrights. This is his classroom and lectures hall so i ask you all to respect that. This is an open discussion and a place to offer your point of view, ask questions, request further explanations so on and so forth. We are here to learn a thing or two.

A great start, but if you "like to get the discussion going in a (semi) structured manner," I'm afraid you're going to find managing this student body to be a lot like herding cats!

but if you crack open a can of cat food believe me you will have the attention of every cat in the room.
the audience here and elsewhere may be a tiny fraction of membership. I hope that I am dead wrong about that.

it is not really a tiny fraction. regardless of what you doing scratch building, researching, kit building model engineering whatever, there is a common ground and thread that runs through the art and hobby. There is a philosophy and a passion and the why and how.
I just found this thread. I think one of the problems with this site (a good problem really) is that there is so much stuff on it that things of interest (often stuff one doesn't know one is interested in until one stumbles across it) get buried and are hard to find.
I have skimmed a few of Chappelle's books and admired his drawings, especially his interest in smaller American vessels. I read the two articles at the beginning of this course, and he certainly has strong, indeed rather black and white views, on the matter. However, one of the good things about this website is how it allows us model builders to become much better informed about our hobby and to think about stuff that otherwise would not have occurred to us.
Anyway, I have signed up to this unit and will continue working through the lessons.
And a comment on website layout. For a course like this I am wondering whether it would be possible to have a branched structure where the course itself is the main branch or trunk and discussions relating to content are branched off from it in separate threads, potentially even with tutorial questions, similar to online university units? This would help one to follow the instructor's lessons and not get too distracted by the comments unless one wanted to follow up or comment on a particular issue.
Thank you Professor Davis.
Bob
 
Let's get this discussion going!

Here are a couple observations from the observations:

  1. The words accurate, authentic, and correct are written more than once!
  2. Subjects of less popular reputation / class of vessels known as 'local types' take precedence over well-know subjects
  3. Plans are redrawn to outside of planking

Material / wood species to be used is not the prime concern - the hulls built from this book are not to be planked; i.e., it is simply the hull form that carries the weight. If one, reads the book, they will find that decks are not planked either! Grimwood does describe how deck planks can be 'scribed'.


Chapelle notes that Grimwood used one type of construction throughout the book, but does not state the method. It is the 'lift method' - one that I don't think is often found in a kit. The only ones I can recall are a couple of half-hull model kits that Blue Jacket produces. Models built in this manner are relatively rare to find within the many online build logs.

Related question: Are models of this type (lift) a good starting point for learning how to build a model ship?

Greg, you make some obsevations but not sure what the main question(s) is/are.
As for the 'related question": The solid carved model is probably a good way to start if it is something relatively small. Carving a hull is an entirely different skill than building a plank on frame/bulkhead model. My first model was of the clipper Lightning which I built when I was about ten (the picture is of the model and my older brother and younger sister). This was a plank on bulkhead model, about three foot long, that actually sailed. It was as rough as, but it worked. I remember the first time I sailed it, it took off and I had to chase after it. I built it based on some tiny line drawings from an old encyclopedia from the school library. At the time I lived in small city of Whyalla and research resources were not what they are now.
Personally, I think given the resources that are available these days, that the planked model is the best way to go for most anyone.

John, Jenny and Lightning.jpeg
 
Back to the course with

Topic Number 2

Here the aim is to distill the infamous NRJ Chapelle Papers:

I have read / reread these documents quite a few times and I will attempt to encapsulate the main points, as I see them. We will start with:

Ship Models that Should Not be Built

Here are some excerpts from the document.

  1. The reason reconstruction is of such very doubtful value is that ships were not standardized in hull-form, deck arrangement or appearance. Even at best, the plans of old ships are incomplete enough and the necessary reconstruction of deck details and rig offer enough problems, but when a reconstruction of hull-form is added the whole task becomes questionable. When you have lines, some details of deck arrangement and outboard appearance, you at least have the fundamentals authenticated and if new information throws out details in reconstruction, at least the whole model is not made valueless.
  2. Even when the “reconstruction” is done by an experienced man it must be accepted as of far less value than contemporary plans. Of all plans, the “take-off” represents the most accurate; after this I place the “builder’s plans”, and 3rd, the “original design”. In the latter class I like to check with the offsets if they can be found as the latter too often show the original design was altered to some extent in laying-down.
  3. One ought to remember that accuracy in a model is often of far more importance in giving a mode value than fine workmanship alone. Actually, of course, the two should go together, but there are many well-made models built to poor plans or none at all which represent nothing more than a complete waste of time, materials and labor.
  4. In short – do not attempt to model any ship for which you do not have at least the hull lines and outboard appearance from reliable sources. It is better to build only a half-model to show accurately what you have rather than a completely rigged model 75% guesswork.
  5. Fit the type of your model – decorative half-model, hull model or completely rigged model – to your source material. Never, repeat NEVER, try to reconstruct lines of a ship out of a few measurements for it cannot be accurate enough and is misleading to all who ever see the model.

Or more simply

  1. Knowledge of hull-form / lines is minimally needed.
  2. Hull lines from the completed vessel is the best information, followed by builder’s plans, and then by original design.
  3. Accuracy trumps workmanship alone; however, the goal should be an accurate well-made model.
  4. If you do not have hull lines, do not proceed with a model.
  5. Models should be built to source materials.


Please comment / react at will!


P.S. I will post my encapsulation of Ship Models that Ought to be Built asap. In the meantime, please note what Chapelle wrote in the first paragraph of this article.

In an earlier article I expressed some opinions on ship models that ought not be built. Many readers of this journal did not agree with me and expressed their disagreements. I must say I have not been impressed by the reasons given for disagreement for I cannot et understand why a modeler would want to build a model that he knows is not the ship it is supposed to be.

It seems that Chappelle was writing very much as a maritime historian. Probably the heart of his argument lies in the assertion that "the goal should be an accurate well-made model" with the unstated premise that a 'model' is a representation of an actual (once) existing ship or ship type. So I guess fantasy type models such as ghost pirate ships don't count as models for Chappelle (with which I am inclined to agree).
I am tempted to digress into deeper questions - what counts as a model - the ontology of model ships etc.
The more I think about this question, the more I am inclined towards the answer that model building is for the most part a therapeutic exercise. We get to create something real that we can stand back and look at, and that gives us satisfaction. Chappelle's 'ought/ought not' question only makes sense from the maritime historian's perspective. I would suspect that a therapist would tell their clients to simply ignore Chappelle. Some models are superb works of art, others incredible displays of technical mastery, and many are as rough as guts but have given their builders countless hours of calm fascination, time in the Zen zone.
To be continued ...
 
The more I think about this question, the more I am inclined towards the answer that model building is for the most part a therapeutic exercise. We get to create something real that we can stand back and look at, and that gives us satisfaction. Chappelle's 'ought/ought not' question only makes sense from the maritime historian's perspective.
I like the way you think, Bob.
 
The more I think about this question, the more I am inclined towards the answer that model building is for the most part a therapeutic exercise. We get to create something real that we can stand back and look at, and that gives us satisfaction.

Unfortunately, that certainly seems to have become the case in recent times. It would appear that all things which we may do for "therapeutic exercise... that gives us satisfaction" are best done in private. Self-satisfaction in public is generally considered indecent. Why would anyone have any interest whatsoever in anybody else's therapeutic self-satisfaction? The problem with ship modeling is exactly that: there are too many people who are doing it with the expectation that others will give them satisfaction and far too few people who build academically accurate scale ship models to standards of quality by which each model can be measured and stand alone on its own merits. In other fields of endeavor, this quality has been called "redeeming social value." It's of no moment why a modeler built a model, but what a model says to its viewers is everything.

I've posted this excerpt from Rob Napier's book before. It's about as spot on a definition of a "high-quality scale ship model" as anybody's ever done. It was the result of an effort to define what it was believed a serious ship modeler ought to strive for in the wake of Howard I. Chapelle's "What should and should not be built." editorials.

Like it or not, this is the standard against which every scale ship model is unavoidably measured in one sentence:


"A high-quality scale ship model provides a compelling impression of an actual vessel within the constraints of historical accuracy.

"Historical accuracy" encompasses all the objective, or measurable, standards of technical exactness that might apply to a ship model. These embrace the obvious hull shape and fairness; precision in fittings, rigging, and colors; lack of anachronisms; and so forth. But it also encompasses all aspects of craftsmanship because the lack of craftsmanship creates unrealistic and, therefore, historically inaccurate blemishes on a model. ... The phrase "historically accurate" alone effectively replaces the intention of the now-vapid "museum quality."

"... (A "compelling impression") allows and encourages aesthetic interpretation of a vessel that will help propel the viewers to make the leap of faith that allows a model to work or to willingly suspend the disbelief that keeps a model from working. Both processes help viewers accept the invitation to visit a ship instead of a model. Compelling impression is the result of applying artistic and interpretive decision-making processes... to amplify a model beyond being a mere assemblage of parts.

"It is important to recognize that neither arm of our definition considers how a model was made. There is no assessment of whether entire models or components of them are built from scratch, built from kits, or built by teams of modelers. The main thing is the appearance of the finished model. The ends justify the means.

"One could argue that it is more important and more difficult to teach inexperienced modelers how to tell if their model yields a compelling impression than it is to teach them how to put the thing together. If they are only interested in being satisfied with the latter, then the former is even tougher."

Rob Napier, Caring for Ship Models - A Narrative of Thought and Application
(2022) Seawatch Books.

See: https://seawatchbooks.com/products/...tive-of-thought-and-application-by-rob-napier


An interesting and useful document. I shall use it as a guideline as to what I aspire to.
See also: https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/Wa...ications-for-Building-Exhibition-Ship-Models/
 
Unfortunately, that certainly seems to have become the case in recent times. It would appear that all things which we may do for "therapeutic exercise... that gives us satisfaction" are best done in private. Self-satisfaction in public is generally considered indecent. Why would anyone have any interest whatsoever in anybody else's therapeutic self-satisfaction? The problem with ship modeling is exactly that: there are too many people who are doing it with the expectation that others will give them satisfaction and far too few people who build academically accurate scale ship models to standards of quality by which each model can be measured and stand alone on its own merits. In other fields of endeavor, this quality has been called "redeeming social value." It's of no moment why a modeler built a model, but what a model says to its viewers is everything.

I've posted this excerpt from Rob Napier's book before. It's about as spot on a definition of a "high-quality scale ship model" as anybody's ever done. It was the result of an effort to define what it was believed a serious ship modeler ought to strive for in the wake of Howard I. Chapelle's "What should and should not be built." editorials.

Like it or not, this is the standard against which every scale ship model is unavoidably measured in one sentence:


"A high-quality scale ship model provides a compelling impression of an actual vessel within the constraints of historical accuracy.

"Historical accuracy" encompasses all the objective, or measurable, standards of technical exactness that might apply to a ship model. These embrace the obvious hull shape and fairness; precision in fittings, rigging, and colors; lack of anachronisms; and so forth. But it also encompasses all aspects of craftsmanship because the lack of craftsmanship creates unrealistic and, therefore, historically inaccurate blemishes on a model. ... The phrase "historically accurate" alone effectively replaces the intention of the now-vapid "museum quality."

"... (A "compelling impression") allows and encourages aesthetic interpretation of a vessel that will help propel the viewers to make the leap of faith that allows a model to work or to willingly suspend the disbelief that keeps a model from working. Both processes help viewers accept the invitation to visit a ship instead of a model. Compelling impression is the result of applying artistic and interpretive decision-making processes... to amplify a model beyond being a mere assemblage of parts.

"It is important to recognize that neither arm of our definition considers how a model was made. There is no assessment of whether entire models or components of them are built from scratch, built from kits, or built by teams of modelers. The main thing is the appearance of the finished model. The ends justify the means.

"One could argue that it is more important and more difficult to teach inexperienced modelers how to tell if their model yields a compelling impression than it is to teach them how to put the thing together. If they are only interested in being satisfied with the latter, then the former is even tougher."


Rob Napier, Caring for Ship Models - A Narrative of Thought and Application
(2022) Seawatch Books.

See: https://seawatchbooks.com/products/...tive-of-thought-and-application-by-rob-napier



See also: https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/Wa...ications-for-Building-Exhibition-Ship-Models/
You clearly have very strong views on this issue, Bob. I think Jaager's post captures much of the problem here with his notion of two universes colliding:
One universe is when Historian, accurate scratch building, expanding knowledge, serious dedication, seeking to bring the obscure and forgotten back into a physical presence, looking to cut a new and unique path, ship modeling as challenge and something worth serious effort are the ambition as the stand
I think Jaager's comment very much captures a lot of what the discussion has been about in this 'course' (and elsewhere). When I look at some of the build logs on SoS, I realise that some of the work being done falls into the category of what could be called 'reconstructive archaeology through model building'. This group of model builders, which is perhaps the audience Chappelle was largely addressing, is pretty much by definition a small elite. The level of dedication required to achieve this standard, for the ordinary mortal, borders on the obsessive.
According to Chappelle's argument (and presumably your's Bob), most of us shouldn't even touch a hobby knife, yet alone attempt to build a "model ship". I put "model ship" in quotation marks as the definition of what consitutes a model ship I think is part of the (unstated) argument here. Donald McNarry for instance prefers the term "miniature ships" (though he built at the scale of 50 feet to one inch - Robert A Wilson continues in this tradition):

"Well-made ship models can be seen in most museums and any shipping office window. They are characterised by smooth, unplated hulls gleaming with high gloss paint, boot-eyelet portholes, drawn or painted-on windows, highly polished decks lined with black ink, gravity defying aerials [etc] ... Fortunately this tradition is dying - but it is dying hard." Donald McNarry, Shipbuilding in Miniature, 1955.

I also find it interesting that, in my opinion, many of the incredible models that are displayed on this site do not comform to the definition: "a compelling impression of an actual vessel within the constraints of historical accuracy." Instead of the "shipping office" tradition McNarry talks about, the dominant tradition seems to be Admiralty/Dockyard/Russian Palace model, where, for example, contrasting timbers are used instead of paint. They are technically superb but I am sure that they do not look like any actual vessel.

And the vast majority of us do build our models in private, they are displayed in our homes if anywhere. I totally respect your opinion Bob, and yes, by all means judge models against your very rigorous standards, but I build model ships because I enjoy the process (that is for my own self-satisfaction - and, perhaps unintended, but your implication here is a little bit rude), not to impress anyone, certainly not to be compared against other model builders (though being human I inevitably do make such comparisons) and judged against impossibly high standards, though it is always nice to have people say encouraging things about one's attempts.

I can only bring my own personal and limited perspective to this conversation. I am very much a scratch builder, but I am not trying to expand anyone's knowledge but my own. I guess each of us mature as model builders in our own way. I remember a time when I was a child I used to build plastic kit models and I learnt a lot about ships through this, but I would not be bothered with a kit model of any description these days, mainly as a matter of personal satisfaction. And nothing against kit-builders, though a theme through this course has been the suggestion that many kit builder move on to scratch building. In this regard I am very much in line with Harold A Underhill’s thoughts:

"… my pleasure in model work is the making, and a model in which the fittings were bought ready-made would have no appeal whatever, I would rather have a relatively crude fitting made with my own hands than the most perfect example of the modelmaker’s art supplied by someone else. … On the other hand, and here I know that I am asking for trouble, I get very angry when shown a model which someone claims to have “made”, when in actual fact all they have done is assemble a number of parts made by someone else. That is not model building."
Harold A Underhill, Plank on Frame Models, Vol 2.

So Underhill's argument would go against the claim that the ends justify the means. Like Underhill, I believe the process is important. Napier's definition of what constitutes a "high-quality scale ship model" is no doubt sound, but my understanding is that the argument that Greg Davis started this course with is about what Chappelle thought ought and ought not be built. Basically, having considered Greg's question, I disagree with Chappelle; and Greg even found some examples of Chappelle's own work that goes against his argument, though from this course I understand that Chappelle never actually built a model ship.

To extend Jaager's metaphor, when universes collide perhaps it is best to let them pass through one another and hope that they do not do too much damage to each other along the way. And I am not even sure that our universes are so far apart, Bob. I do try to build my models as accurately as I can, and being historically correct is of concern, but ultimately I do it for my own satisfaction. The fact is my models will never come close to the standards you are suggesting should always prevail.

"Why would anyone have any interest whatsoever in anybody else's therapeutic self-satisfaction?" Well, because as a social creature I care about other people's well-being. I can be critical of the object they have created but still appreciate the effort that went into it and share in the joy they gained in the process.

Where can I find examples of your work, Bob?
 
I do try to build my models as accurately as I can, and being historically correct is of concern, but ultimately I do it for my own satisfaction. The fact is my models will never come close to the standards you are suggesting should always prevail.
I do not think that the final result is as important as benchmark, target, aspiration used in the process of getting to the finish. What we are doing would not be worth the effort if it was easy or actually really obtainable. We should want to chase the car. It becomes boring and just plain work if we could actually catch the car. This is an area with finite limits. Those limits are broad enough that no one individual could cover everything within them. There is as much variety as can be reasonably desired. A major warship (and perhaps some merchantmen) is the embodiment of the total tech of its time, unlike any other area of modeling which are just a narrow slice of it. Capturing that is a worthwhile ambition.

There are some (?noun?) that just are. They are known. Ignoring them and going with a kitsch fad shifts the model into another category.
An example: There is a build of the Underhill 12 gun brig. I have had the plans since the mid 70's - when there were not many scratch plans that were easy to obtain. It is outside my focus era and I could not find plans on the NMM site for a vessel that matched it, but it was once a possibility. The work looked credible and worth following - right up until the builder covered the bottom with bright shiny severe Smallpox infected copper. It is now a cartoon, a joke.

Where can I find examples of your work, Bob?
An ad hominem argument is unworthy. The opinion or product of an individual has nothing to do with setting and acknowledging and agreeing to standards and goals. HIC was not a model builder. Our generation and before* museum directors and historians were unlikely to be model builders. That does not impact on standards and goals.

(*Our generation wrecked the education system so as to make sure that those who follow us cannot compete with us. It is now coming back to haunt us.)
 
I do not think that the final result is as important as benchmark, target, aspiration used in the process of getting to the finish. What we are doing would not be worth the effort if it was easy or actually really obtainable. We should want to chase the car. It becomes boring and just plain work if we could actually catch the car. This is an area with finite limits. Those limits are broad enough that no one individual could cover everything within them. There is as much variety as can be reasonably desired. A major warship (and perhaps some merchantmen) is the embodiment of the total tech of its time, unlike any other area of modeling which are just a narrow slice of it. Capturing that is a worthwhile ambition.

There are some (?noun?) that just are. They are known. Ignoring them and going with a kitsch fad shifts the model into another category.
An example: There is a build of the Underhill 12 gun brig. I have had the plans since the mid 70's - when there were not many scratch plans that were easy to obtain. It is outside my focus era and I could not find plans on the NMM site for a vessel that matched it, but it was once a possibility. The work looked credible and worth following - right up until the builder covered the bottom with bright shiny severe Smallpox infected copper. It is now a cartoon, a joke.


An ad hominem argument is unworthy. The opinion or product of an individual has nothing to do with setting and acknowledging and agreeing to standards and goals. HIC was not a model builder. Our generation and before* museum directors and historians were unlikely to be model builders. That does not impact on standards and goals.

(*Our generation wrecked the education system so as to make sure that those who follow us cannot compete with us. It is now coming back to haunt us.)
I certainly did not mean to upset anyone. I was just trying to argue my point of view. In particular, I didn't intend my question as to where I could see Bob's models as a personal attack. I was just curious because I couldn't find any of Bob's models.i sincerely apologise if it came across that way.
With reference to the pox-ridden 12 gun brig, that is personal and it hurts. I was following examples of models on this site.
I regret participating in this forum. My apologies. I shall withdraw.
 
With reference to the pox-ridden 12 gun brig, that is personal and it hurts. I was following examples of models on this site.
My apology. I did not check who was the author of the brig. I was just stunned by the jump. The fad copper bottom - both here and MSW is so frustrating from a historical perspective.
It was like seeing a work of art being tagged. The crowd here is quite simply on a silly path probably started by a kit mfg.
Alcohol, mineral spirits, acetone, maybe the fierce lacquer thinner - you should be able to remove it.
On a kit, it is still unfortunate, but a kit is only a kit. On a well done scratch hull - there are more than a few presentations here of what is an actual scale appropriate copper bottom - I would stop at the planking and not hide it.
I wonder what a transparent copper shade layer would do?
 
How frustrating that you lot continue to insist that external standards be applied to the hobby lane. The gentleman clearly explained that he builds for his personal satisfaction. Why must that satisfaction be judged? Sigh...
 
continue to insist that external standards be applied
"Insist" is a bit extreme. There are no Meistersingers ruling on acceptance to a guild. There is just an ocean outside this box of popular and Madison Ave directed opinion. It is hollering into a hurricane.
It is to be exercising a conditional argument/discussion. Choosing to be outside the initial condition makes everything that follows not relevant. There is no need to take an alternative point of view as an insult or threat. It is opinion to accept or reject. I would be insulted if it were thought that my feelings are so sensitive that every comment has to be a confirmation. Success teaches nothing.
 
"Insist" is a bit extreme. There are no Meistersingers ruling on acceptance to a guild. There is just an ocean outside this box of popular and Madison Ave directed opinion. It is hollering into a hurricane.
It is to be exercising a conditional argument/discussion. Choosing to be outside the initial condition makes everything that follows not relevant. There is no need to take an alternative point of view as an insult or threat. It is opinion to accept or reject. I would be insulted if it were thought that my feelings are so sensitive that every comment has to be a confirmation. Success teaches nothing.
And even here you insist your worldview is the proper one, Dean.
 
And even here you insist your worldview is the proper one
Not worldview - within in the strictures of historical accuracy - there are objective data to test that.

Am I wrong about the copper bottom being fad and not representative of what was part of an actual ship? That is all that this is about. I write with impish humor but I never intend to hit a major nerve.

It is just that all was going so well right up to that point for it being in the historical and serious ( or whatever classification chosen to mean that ). It felt like a trooper had switched sides. I did not intend to express my frustration out here in public. I wrote as if this was the lounge. My opinion only matters to me. I mean to add something to consider and nothing more. I accept it when I am wrong about objective things. An opinion does not change the quality of the build. In Sylph's place, I would see compliments and encouragement for everything right up to the application of what is after all - a superficial layer.
 
Not worldview - within in the strictures of historical accuracy - there are objective data to test that.

Am I wrong about the copper bottom being fad and not representative of what was part of an actual ship? That is all that this is about. I write with impish humor but I never intend to hit a major nerve.

It is just that all was going so well right up to that point for it being in the historical and serious ( or whatever classification chosen to mean that ). It felt like a trooper had switched sides. I did not intend to express my frustration out here in public. I wrote as if this was the lounge. My opinion only matters to me. I mean to add something to consider and nothing more. I accept it when I am wrong about objective things. An opinion does not change the quality of the build. In Sylph's place, I would see compliments and encouragement for everything right up to the application of what is after all - a superficial layer.
Understood. But there IS a worldview embedded here: you write from the perspective that historical accuracy is the arbiter of good/right/proper/acceptable. But a model ship can be built with other measures/standards in view and if it gives the builder joy (Sylph's satisfaction test) then why do we judge that work product?

A model submitted for competition is rightly evaluated against an architectural/historical standard - to apply those standards universally is, at best, unnecessary. At worst...
 
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