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I like Dave Stevens definition, though I don't quantify it- I think of it as a continuum. BTW, a quantum is not a big leap, it is really a pretty small amount of energy, but it is a step.
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to answer your question, Don, here is the definition.
Building something from scratch means creating a project, product, or system starting from the most basic or fundamental elements, rather than using pre-existing components or templates. This phrase implies a high level of originality, effort, and skills as the creator develops everything needed for the project without relying on previous work or resources.
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it means all the parts do not come in one box
And can mean on your own, added detail. And we LOVE detail!
There seems to be a lot of definitions and I have no idea if they are all correct or incorrect. If I make a 3D drawing of an Armstrong Frederick pattern cannon and email it to a printer and he in turn prints the cannon and sends them to me, does that mean the build is no longer scratch as I did not actually print the cannon on my own printer? Along the same lines I used to make my own cannon by making a brass original then making a silicone mold and then pouring resin (or plaster mold and pewter) to make multiple copies. I did the entire process so would consider this scratch, but, does the same apply if someone else pours the resin or pewter after I make the original part?
Allan
Allan
Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. If the part was made by you either by hand, machined, molded, or printed, and it was not provided in near finished or finished condition in a kit you purchased, call it scratch built. The method of construction, either modern print in plastic, or traditionally carved from wood, is a secondary issue.
Don't get into the weeds. Its YOUR model! Just because you used wood milled at a far off lumber mill doesn't mean its not scratch built. Right? Hey! If you want to paint your ship pink, its your decision and the paint company doesn't get the credit......
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Of course, everyone makes their own decisions. Where the definition comes into play is when someone enters his/her model into a contest, offers it for sale via a recognized gallery ( if there still is such a thing), or tries to donate it to a major museum. Situations that don’t apply to the vast majority of us.
Southbys is now offering for sale a famous piece of art; a banana taped to the wall with a piece of silver duct tape. Tape and banana not included but you do get instructions about how to tape your banana to the wall. Estimated. Market value $1,000,000. No! I’m not making this up. So, who knows, maybe that plastic pirate ship model that you are building will be the next priceless work of art.
Southbys is now offering for sale a famous piece of art; a banana taped to the wall with a piece of silver duct tape. Tape and banana not included but you do get instructions about how to tape your banana to the wall. Estimated. Market value $1,000,000. No! I’m not making this up. So, who knows, maybe that plastic pirate ship model that you are building will be the next priceless work of art.
I think that all of the definitions are correct. It just depends on how the definition is applied. Where I come from, there are a lot builders that don't feel it is truly scratch unless you also draw the plans.
Bill
Bill
Allan, a 3D printer is just technology as well as the software (3D or CAD) you will use to develop. If you create the .stl yourself and print then it is scratch built by you. Contrary, if you are using someone's STL files, then I am not sure. Treat new technologies like CNC, and 3D printing as tools for your projects. You don't make your tools, grow your tees, or process the grown trees to qualify your work as a scratch.
If someone considers that using a 3D printer does not mean a scratch, then the scratch meaning is obsolete, as you don't make your tools to produce Iron.
And the bidder ate the banana.......
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An interesting thread.
At one end of the spectrum is the assembly of supplied parts, such as gluing together a plastic kit, or assembling ikea furniture. The parts are there to de-skill the task, and your work will be identical to dozens or thousands of others.
In our world, I expect we all make some changes, and have varying degrees of skill for the details, so maybe not altogether identical.
At the other end of the spectrum is the idea of working from scratch, and making each part of a model, because no-one else makes them the way you want them to be.
And all the while, we are modelling something that was designed by someone else, or by a huge team of designers, so we are always trying to reproduce ‘something’ invented elsewhere.
This forum is named ‘scale’ so we are not inventing a ship design (though we could)
For myself, I ask “am I aiming to represent a ship, or model a ship?” A representation is all about the look of the thing, using whatever material or components you can find, or make.
A model of a wooden ship though, should be all the parts of the design, just made smaller. I struggle with the idea of ply bulkheads at wide spacing, instead of built up frames, at correct spacing, with planking affixed using toenails to leave those witness marks. Building in this way is more satisfying, and takes longer, but at every stage there is a thing of interest, and a model with planking omitted can be a real marvel and testament to the maker. We can all work this way, for it is just making bits of wood of the right sizes and fixing them the way they were designed to go together.
And to finally answer the question, scratch building can refer to the whole, or merely to parts of a model.
For instance,
“This is the caldercraft brig Lapwing with scratch made fittings and rigging”
Jim
At one end of the spectrum is the assembly of supplied parts, such as gluing together a plastic kit, or assembling ikea furniture. The parts are there to de-skill the task, and your work will be identical to dozens or thousands of others.
In our world, I expect we all make some changes, and have varying degrees of skill for the details, so maybe not altogether identical.
At the other end of the spectrum is the idea of working from scratch, and making each part of a model, because no-one else makes them the way you want them to be.
And all the while, we are modelling something that was designed by someone else, or by a huge team of designers, so we are always trying to reproduce ‘something’ invented elsewhere.
This forum is named ‘scale’ so we are not inventing a ship design (though we could)
For myself, I ask “am I aiming to represent a ship, or model a ship?” A representation is all about the look of the thing, using whatever material or components you can find, or make.
A model of a wooden ship though, should be all the parts of the design, just made smaller. I struggle with the idea of ply bulkheads at wide spacing, instead of built up frames, at correct spacing, with planking affixed using toenails to leave those witness marks. Building in this way is more satisfying, and takes longer, but at every stage there is a thing of interest, and a model with planking omitted can be a real marvel and testament to the maker. We can all work this way, for it is just making bits of wood of the right sizes and fixing them the way they were designed to go together.
And to finally answer the question, scratch building can refer to the whole, or merely to parts of a model.
For instance,
“This is the caldercraft brig Lapwing with scratch made fittings and rigging”
Jim
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What a great item!
Surely it's a bench grease pot? The wheelhouse revolving to cover the tallow hole, and the ship converting to look more like a tanker in silhouette?
Jim
Surely it's a bench grease pot? The wheelhouse revolving to cover the tallow hole, and the ship converting to look more like a tanker in silhouette?
Jim
And here I thought it might be a novel hand plane.....
You guys can mock me as much as you want. I'll be a millionaire soon..HA!
(I will patent the hand plane idea..genius!)
(I will patent the hand plane idea..genius!)
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"Scratching", here in Italy, is mostly something like a guy ruining your car's paintwork using a key or a screwdriver...
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By Stan Alexander
As seen in the November 2022 issue of Model Aviation. SCRATCH-BUILDING IS WHEN a full-scale set of aircraft drawings is scaled down to whatever size, weight, and wingspan that you want. The structure is drawn, and then the parts are cut and assembled. When you build from someone else’s plans, you are plans-building. If you start with all of the parts cut out for you, you are kit-building. If you buy it and only assemble the main parts, that’s an ARF. It’s that simple.
To create something from scratch is to make it without any ingredients or materials prepared ahead of time. The scratch in from scratch originally referred to the starting line of a race "scratched" into the ground, from which all runners would be starting without a head start.
As seen in the November 2022 issue of Model Aviation. SCRATCH-BUILDING IS WHEN a full-scale set of aircraft drawings is scaled down to whatever size, weight, and wingspan that you want. The structure is drawn, and then the parts are cut and assembled. When you build from someone else’s plans, you are plans-building. If you start with all of the parts cut out for you, you are kit-building. If you buy it and only assemble the main parts, that’s an ARF. It’s that simple.
To create something from scratch is to make it without any ingredients or materials prepared ahead of time. The scratch in from scratch originally referred to the starting line of a race "scratched" into the ground, from which all runners would be starting without a head start.
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Does it come with the duct tape?
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did the bidding start on the boat and duct tape art? i will start the bidding at $1.00 US