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ZHL San Felipe 1690 - Ted R

Ted Robinson said:
I've read that their is some debate as to whether this ship actually existed.
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As far as I have found there were several ships named San Felipe, but no details like the plans at RMG. There appears to be no genuine, contemporary drawings or illustrations of the 1690 San Felipe, and all existing depictions are modern interpretations or artistic creations. In some ways it is probably safer to produce a kit that has no contemporary information available as no one can say it did not look like the model that results from the kit. Gun patterns. belaying pins and such detailed parts are easy enough to replace if they are found to be incorrect, but the rest is anyone's guess.

Allan
 
RDN1954 said:
Without having seen the drawings it's a pretty wild guess, but I don't think it's okay. You might have another look at 't he drawings; check, check and double check.
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Unfortunately the plans contain no dimensions or elevations that show the incidence of the stern platforms. The only full scale drawing shows this area covered by extensive ornamentation without a hint what goes beneath.
I'm hoping someone who has already build this model will give me a hint.
 
Adding .5 x 4mm shims to each end of the next upper deck supports. That's parts 7B to 12B to make up for the parts being to short to fit snuggly.
This 1mm shortage is the only time on this build where the parts didn't fit perfectly.
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I've been following this build log with interest- I have this ZHL model in my stash, but so far I've been too scared to get the pieces out of the box. I've been collecting instructions and ideas instead, trying to convince myself that I CAN do this one.

Presumably you have the English instructions with colour photos from ZHL (48 pages)?

The other resource is Adam Hef's youtube videos:

But also- this ZHL model is basically an upgraded version of the Mantua / Panart San Felipe, model no.747. You can download one version of the instructions here: https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/manuals/mantua/747.pdf

However, there's another, better version of the Panart instruction manual that other builders have used- the version above stops at stage 450 (before the masts), but the new version has more information- I don't have that one- maybe we could ask Donnie nicely if he could help us with this?
 
CoastHiker said:
I've been following this build log with interest- I have this ZHL model in my stash, but so far I've been too scared to get the pieces out of the box. I've been collecting instructions and ideas instead, trying to convince myself that I CAN do this one.

Presumably you have the English instructions with colour photos from ZHL (48 pages)?

The other resource is Adam Hef's youtube videos:

But also- this ZHL model is basically an upgraded version of the Mantua / Panart San Felipe, model no.747. You can download one version of the instructions here: https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/manuals/mantua/747.pdf

However, there's another, better version of the Panart instruction manual that other builders have used- the version above stops at stage 450 (before the masts), but the new version has more information- I don't have that one- maybe we could ask Donnie nicely if he could help us with this?
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Thank you. I'll download it right now.
I'm very grateful!
 
Thank you Coast hiker. It makes sense now. One detail on the ZHL plans is clearly incorrect. The platform should be at a ninety degree angle not tilted up.17610905040738399387119510055638.jpg
 
Ted Robinson said:
The platform should be at a ninety degree angle not tilted up.
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Is the platform the unsual continuation of the deck? If it is, and unless Spanish ships were different than other nations, there was a sheer line of the decks and it was not at ninety degrees except for an area midships. Based on checking a few contemporary plans, English first rates had a deck sheer that created a tilt of about 2.5 degrees to 3 degrees by the time they reached the stern. This is obviously far less than in the drawing you posted, but maybe it was something in between,, but definitely not flat.
Allan
 
Ted Robinson said:
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Ted, have you followed the link i provided on your thread first page ?

I took a look to the images of @Scott Shilling built and are similar to yours. Bellow are screenshots.

I have the impression that you are doing the things correctly. Those platforms have an angle as yours.

BTW, those images are on posting #41

Post in thread 'San Felipe 1690 from ZHL' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/san-felipe-1690-from-zhl.12404/post-330931

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AllanKP69 said:
Is the platform the unsual continuation of the deck? If it is, and unless Spanish ships were different than other nations, there was a sheer line of the decks and it was not at ninety degrees except for an area midships. Based on checking a few contemporary plans, English first rates had a deck sheer that created a tilt of about 2.5 degrees to 3 degrees by the time they reached the stern. This is obviously far less than in the drawing you posted, but maybe it was something in between,, but definitely not flat.
Allan
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That makes sense with what I'm seeing.
I got a copy of the Panart instructions but I interpret them as the decks being level.
 
Dematosdg said:
Ted, have you followed the link i provided on your thread first page ?

I took a look to the images of @Scott Shilling built and are similar to yours. Bellow are screenshots.

I have the impression that you are doing the things correctly. Those platforms have an angle as yours.

BTW, those images are on posting #41

Post in thread 'San Felipe 1690 from ZHL' https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/san-felipe-1690-from-zhl.12404/post-330931

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Good morning,
I'm at the point where Scott schilling said he wouldn't glue anything until he was certain it was correct. I'm leaning towards it being correct at that angle.
I'm concerned that if I make a mistake here it won't become evident until much later and past even a heroic effort at rework.
 
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I think I have the correct orientation for the three stern platforms in my mind.
During reading the build logs I became more aware of the problem with the sunny canon supports. I ordered some 10x10mm spruce strips from Amazon. I'm going to fill the entire area on the lower and mid deck platforms to assure backing for the cannons.
These won't arrive until tomorrow.
I found a list of the elevations and set backs from another build log.
I'm going to have to start keeping a list of the contributors work my notes so I can give proper credit to the author.
I apologize for not having realized this previously.
Happy modeling
 
Got the 10x10mm spruce and started filling in the dummy cannon areas.
$9.99 from Amazon.
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Here's a photo of how I'm filling out the dummy cannon bays.
If someone who has done this could let me know if it is correct I would appreciate it.
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