So far so good with a nice recovery of that little white part, Bill.
Regards, Peter
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Bluenose Schooner 1921 - Model Shipways 1:64 by TexBilly
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Regards, Peter
Thanks, Peter. I suspect that area had a little bit of oily residue from handling or I didn't buff it enough before spraying. Happy to recover from most of the little bumps along the way.
This is all new to me but I've found a number of ways to attack stripes and get clean color transitions, including of course pin stripe tape as a few have noted. I was originally planning to lay out the final 1mm stripe in the middle of the wider stripe (to avoid any gaps created by masking up to/on edges) but I was very impressed by the nice edge produced by the 3M vinyl tape.
So, I decided to use the bottom (keel) side of the wide stripe as the datum for the final pin stripe. That edge is also my approximate waterline, determined earlier by my laser level exercise. Placing my 1/8" tape at the edge of the stripe was fairly easy as the contrast of the blue tape and white paint helped. Had I been using the same tape over blue paint, this might have been a little more difficult. You can see the blue tape under my masking.
So, I decided to use the bottom (keel) side of the wide stripe as the datum for the final pin stripe. That edge is also my approximate waterline, determined earlier by my laser level exercise. Placing my 1/8" tape at the edge of the stripe was fairly easy as the contrast of the blue tape and white paint helped. Had I been using the same tape over blue paint, this might have been a little more difficult. You can see the blue tape under my masking.
I didn't take a picture but the first step was to spray a light mist of my white paint over the tape edge. I let that sit for as long as it took to prep for the red. I probably applied 6-7 light coats of red and let each coat dry for as long as it took to paint the opposite side. Once I was happy with my coverage, I waited maybe 10 min before removing all masking and slowly removing the blue tape. Came out pretty nice, with only a few tiny spots that I might touch up. The overall paint finish was a little more matte than I expected but I'm going to apply a clear finish anyway.
Very impressive, Bill!
Forgot to mention - I did use the Liquitex Cadmium Red but decided I wanted to make it a little less bright. I added a bit of Golden Raw Umber and the result was a more brown red. Turns out it's fairly close to Model Expo Hull Copper Red.
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Very nice paint job,
Thank you, Bobby!Very nice paint job,
Played a bit with the upper deck color. I decided the Liquitex Payne's Gray I shared recently is for for all intents and purposes...black. A very slight hint of blue and only under the right lighting.
I had picked up these two jars of Winsor & Newton on clearance at a local art store so I decided to give them a try. On the right of my sample board is straight Mars Black. On the left, about a 9-10:1 mix of Cobalt Blue: Mars Black. I can see the desired bluish tint here so this has possibilities. I may even back off on the black and spray some samples while I wait for the hull to cure.
I had picked up these two jars of Winsor & Newton on clearance at a local art store so I decided to give them a try. On the right of my sample board is straight Mars Black. On the left, about a 9-10:1 mix of Cobalt Blue: Mars Black. I can see the desired bluish tint here so this has possibilities. I may even back off on the black and spray some samples while I wait for the hull to cure.
I’m leaning a bit more toward black…
Before I launch into spraying the upper hull I realized I need to change course in order to create a solid 1mm stripe.
I could mark a faint pencil line 1mm below the waterline (keel pointed up), place the 1/8" tape's bottom edge along along the pencil line, then mask upward over the red lower hull. Not ideal as that line would need to be very accurate and the bottom edge of my tape will be placed on/above that line, covering the future 1mm stripe. This leaves no opportunity to sight down the hull and check for consistency. Which brings me to what now seems obvious: use 1mm vinyl tape
. I couldn't find any 3M 1mm tape so I had to order a different brand. Here's to hoping its adhesive is no stronger than that of 3M.
Hopefully this "obvious plan" doesn't come back to bite me!
I could mark a faint pencil line 1mm below the waterline (keel pointed up), place the 1/8" tape's bottom edge along along the pencil line, then mask upward over the red lower hull. Not ideal as that line would need to be very accurate and the bottom edge of my tape will be placed on/above that line, covering the future 1mm stripe. This leaves no opportunity to sight down the hull and check for consistency. Which brings me to what now seems obvious: use 1mm vinyl tape
. I couldn't find any 3M 1mm tape so I had to order a different brand. Here's to hoping its adhesive is no stronger than that of 3M.Hopefully this "obvious plan" doesn't come back to bite me!
1mm tape....tested my eyes and hands! Look closely! 
This skinny 1mm tape led me to think about the acceptable stripe width. Some brief research points to something wider - somewhere between 2-3mm at 1:64 scale. Contention is many old photos had shadowing, water reflection, etc, making the stripe appear thinner that it was. A 1mm stripe represents only 2.5" on the real ship. I tested a short piece of 2mm tape and to my eyes, it still "looks narrow" but maybe I've biased myself.
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You know this picture:
It’s ‘thin’….
Regards, Peter
It’s ‘thin’….
Regards, Peter
Peter, thanks for the great (and helpful) picture!
I had some fun and asked one of my AI models to "measure" the stripe in that photo, which used known dimensions of the hull at midships, from waterline to deck. This resulted in 6-7” wide or 2.5-2.8mm at 1:64 scale. If I consider the size of the men on deck, this seems about right.
However, the model also found the Model Shipways' waterline position (which I used) generally sits higher than the real thing (seems fair if you compare the photos). Once I gave it a picture and my hull measurement, the proportional result was 1.3-1.5mm (actual 3.25-3.75") for the stripe. This seems consistent with the common use of really narrow stripes.
However, I'm also considering your advice for widening the stripe at its ends (esp. at the stern) to help the visual. So, I'll likely lay down a 2mm wide stripe and take advantage of 2mm tape. In my humble and newbie opinion, this is safely inside the range of “historically correct”.
OK, this concludes today's class on 'how to over analyze".
. Thank you for tagging along.
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Bill I think the waterline looks great the way it is. Sometime better is the enemy of good.Peter, thanks for the great (and helpful) picture!
I had some fun and asked one of my AI models to "measure" the stripe in that photo, which used known dimensions of the hull at midships, from waterline to deck. This resulted in 6-7” wide or 2.5-2.8mm at 1:64 scale. If I consider the size of the men on deck, this seems about right.
However, the model also found the Model Shipways' waterline position (which I used) generally sits higher than the real thing (seems fair if you compare the photos). Once I gave it a picture and my hull measurement, the proportional result was 1.3-1.5mm for the stripe. This is consistent with the common use of really narrow stripes.
However, I'm also considering your advice for widening the stripe at its ends (esp. at the stern) to help the visual. So, will likely lay down a 2mm wide stripe and take advantage of 2mm tape. In my humble and newbie opinion, this is safely inside the range of “historically correct”.
OK, this concludes today's class on 'how to over analyze".
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Better to think twice (or three times) than to be wrong once. It’s all about the details, and here …… the looks. And this is looking good, Bill.Peter, thanks for the great (and helpful) picture!
I had some fun and asked one of my AI models to "measure" the stripe in that photo, which used known dimensions of the hull at midships, from waterline to deck. This resulted in 6-7” wide or 2.5-2.8mm at 1:64 scale. If I consider the size of the men on deck, this seems about right.
However, the model also found the Model Shipways' waterline position (which I used) generally sits higher than the real thing (seems fair if you compare the photos). Once I gave it a picture and my hull measurement, the proportional result was 1.3-1.5mm (actual 3.25-3.75") for the stripe. This seems consistent with the common use of really narrow stripes.
However, I'm also considering your advice for widening the stripe at its ends (esp. at the stern) to help the visual. So, I'll likely lay down a 2mm wide stripe and take advantage of 2mm tape. In my humble and newbie opinion, this is safely inside the range of “historically correct”.
OK, this concludes today's class on 'how to over analyze".
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Regards, Peter