Nice to see the progress, shown with some very instructive pictures, Maarten.
Regards, Peter
A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36
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Regards, Peter
Thx gents for all comments and likes.
Hope more shipwrights will follow and try this way of building for Dutch ships.
@Ptèr , yes this is the way to go forward. First one additional row of planks with the edge slightly bevelled. The bilge futtock will shape this angle. This first bilge plank will enclose the bow planks so these will then be trimmed to create the correct angle between the bilge planks and the stempost.
See below how in the wreck of Anna Maria.
You can also perfectly see it on the wreck of the ventjager in Lelystad.
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The 6th strake of planks is fitted on the SB side.
This is the final row of the floor. Now slightly more then 2/3 of the total width of the hull has been reached for the square shape of the fluyt.
You get a severe curvature in the planks from the upright stern to the flat floor.
The natural flow of the planks is not following my line drawing at frame position 4. I leave it like this because the shape and flow of the hull planks look perfect, all other frame positions look fine.
The only thing which maybe needs some additional attention is the outward curvature of the planks at the stern. To create the very recognizable buttox of the fluyt the planking at the stern really has to be bended to the max.
I think the angled planking we see at fluyt construction at the stern helps in creating this shape. I still have to decide when to add stealers to the sternplanking to start to create this angle as my planks now still have a square position at the stern.
In the ship wreck I do see stealers in the stern planking just above the water line at the stern cargo hatch position. My idea is there to start with the angled planking if possible.
The outside of the plank is also angled to join the first bilge plank.
One PS strake to go before fitting the first floor frame.
This is the final row of the floor. Now slightly more then 2/3 of the total width of the hull has been reached for the square shape of the fluyt.
You get a severe curvature in the planks from the upright stern to the flat floor.
The natural flow of the planks is not following my line drawing at frame position 4. I leave it like this because the shape and flow of the hull planks look perfect, all other frame positions look fine.
The only thing which maybe needs some additional attention is the outward curvature of the planks at the stern. To create the very recognizable buttox of the fluyt the planking at the stern really has to be bended to the max.
I think the angled planking we see at fluyt construction at the stern helps in creating this shape. I still have to decide when to add stealers to the sternplanking to start to create this angle as my planks now still have a square position at the stern.
In the ship wreck I do see stealers in the stern planking just above the water line at the stern cargo hatch position. My idea is there to start with the angled planking if possible.
The outside of the plank is also angled to join the first bilge plank.
One PS strake to go before fitting the first floor frame.
Great, like in a real shipyard.
Just what Tonias wrote: it looks like a real shipyard, Maarten. Nice pictures, showing the specific details.
Regards, Peter
I concur with every word you said, especially when there are hooks chained to planks
I think it’s almost time to put a point on the pointy end…
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I am really interested to see your method during the exhibition in Amsterdam. I've never thought, that it is possible to build a model following the historical method.
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Maarten,
These frame templates you show in two of the photos of your last post, are they just to check your hull contours after bonding, or do you somehow use them to ensure the individual planks follow the required profile, prior to bonding am still trying to get my head around the "shell first" process: how did they control the hull lines? With these pogo sticks? Or with partial frames? Or with full-scale frame templates?
Kind regards,
Johan
These frame templates you show in two of the photos of your last post, are they just to check your hull contours after bonding, or do you somehow use them to ensure the individual planks follow the required profile, prior to bonding am still trying to get my head around the "shell first" process: how did they control the hull lines? With these pogo sticks? Or with partial frames? Or with full-scale frame templates?
Kind regards,
Johan
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I have this suspicion you might have to reserve seats for both Maarten' and Steef's stands, for the same reasons. Very unique modeling, alike cutting your model in half...
Hi Bela,
Yes until now all planks are the same width along their length. I have added some changes in width between individual strakes of planks.
U have been thinking about some additional width in the stern section, but think I will add that with some stealers.
Hi Johan,
I use the templates during steaming and bending the planks. In principle the planks are fully shaped before bonding them with PVA glue.
After bonding I again use the template to fixate the plank in the correct position.
Hi Johan,
I use the templates during steaming and bending the planks. In principle the planks are fully shaped before bonding them with PVA glue.
After bonding I again use the template to fixate the plank in the correct position.
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That actually makes a lot of sense.
Thanks for clarifying.
An extremely exciting project that you are following here. You will gain many experiences and share them with us. Among other things, how the design at the rear can work with stealers. I am very excited and will follow it with great attention.