A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36

Hi @Bela

Based on the stern frame shape as proposed by Van Yk in his book on page 77 as pointed out to me by Ab Hoving.
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There should be a balance between the volume in the fwd part of the ship compared to the stern, if this balance in bouyancy is not there you should ballast the ship to trim.

Van Yk mentions the following regarding the shape of the bow frame shape vs the stern frame shape. Creating the same width of the fwd frame and stern frame at a height of 7 feet from the keel.

I have recalculated this for the ghost ship as follows:

In itself Van Yk is very simple, but it is unclear to me where Van Yk gets that 7 feet above the keel from, this must have a relationship to the depth, since this also partly determines the height of the “scheerstrook”.
His example shows a depth of 18 feet and he measures 7 feet from the keel at the fwd frame.
On the Ghost ship the depth is 9 feet and 3 inches, so I would have to measure 9.27/18 x 7 = 3.6 feet or 3 feet 7 inches = +/- 1 meter above the keel.
Here I have placed an extra waterline at a height of 1 meter + keel thickness + steering load = 1 + 0.296 + 0.48 = 1.77 mtr

He adds the “stuurlast” (trim) for the stern frame, the strange thing is that the full stuurlast is measured at the end of the keel and not on the stern frame, which sinks less because it is placed further forward in the ship, so this measurement is fore and aft. not in 1 waterline.
I have done the same here as Yk, so I am going to add the full trim load to the measurement, the 3 feet and 7 inches is then increased by 1 foot and 8 inches of stuurlast, or 5 feet 5 inches = 1.544 meters, here I have to add again the thickness of keel and stuurlast at the stern frame.
Length of keel is +/- 22.2 m, stern is at a distance of stem rake from the stern which is 4.5 m, ratio is 0.2 x stuurlast.
Measuring height in the stern is then 1.544 + 0.296 (keel) + (0.2 x 0.48 (steering load on stern)) = 1.94 m. This is where the stern frame waterline comes in.


The waterlines 1.777 m and 1.94 m have now been drawn, as well as the frame at 4.5 m (stern frame), 17.8 m centre frame and 22.2 m fwd frame.
New frame layout side view.jpg

The width at the fwd frame calculated waterline now should be equal to the stern frame width at the calculated waterline, this as the ghost ship has the same overall width at the fwd frame as at the sternframe due to its straight top view of the scheerstrook.

The old frame you see below:
Old stern frame.jpg

The new frame based on the Van Yk set up is as below, based on the same width at the calculated waterline.
fluyt sternframe.png

The rest of the stern is shaped by the flow of the planks.
I am also curious to see the finall shape evolving, in the end this is an experiment for me.
 
thank you very much for the detailed answer.
very interesting.
could you show a picture showing the position of the rear frame within your construction
 
thank you very much for the detailed answer.
very interesting.
could you show a picture showing the position of the rear frame within your construction
See below where I put my frame template on the spot of the stern frame.
The stern frame position will be at the distance from the stern as the fwd frame is from the bow.
The fwd frame is at the position of the connection between keel and stem.
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The top view of the ship is very boxy, so at the height of the scheerstrook this will be the shape.
bovenaanzicht.JPG

Below you see the Tallinn wreck which is a fluyt of comparable shape and its full bodied shape far towards the sternpost.
Stern Tallinn Wreck.jpg
Tallinn wreck.jpg
New stern design.jpg
 
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Have you or will you draw a line plan for it?
or provide me with some information so that I can create a line plan.
I've just got a taste for it.
 
I do have a delftship model of it but this is also work in progress as the build develops and items are changed.
At the moment I also have keel, stem, stern, 3 frames and a scheerstrook in Fusion.
I will share them.
 
It is time for the last planks before I can start with the floors (liggers) and first futtocks (zitters).

These last planks are the two rows of bilge planks at the stern.
The SB side first bilge plank is fitted.
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I use my frame template to check the shape of the hull in between.
The PS planks are also fitted.
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The connection between the second plank from the bottom and the stern needs some additional attention to get a smooth transition.
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On the PS side the second and last bilge plank is fitted. This is a straight plank and to get the right hull shape the 1 bilge plank is spliced.
Small clamps are used instead of the originally used "houten klaas" but the functionality is the same keeping the plank in the right position.
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The chains are still doing their job very well, hope I can stil use them during a later stage in the build.
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Only the SB top bilge plank to be fitted before major dust can be produced for fitting the liggers and zitters.

This is the current status.
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fascinating!
(I still have to get used to the shape of the rear though. Maybe the photos are deceiving...)
 
It is time for the last planks before I can start with the floors (liggers) and first futtocks (zitters).

These last planks are the two rows of bilge planks at the stern.
The SB side first bilge plank is fitted.
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I use my frame template to check the shape of the hull in between.
The PS planks are also fitted.
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The connection between the second plank from the bottom and the stern needs some additional attention to get a smooth transition.
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On the PS side the second and last bilge plank is fitted. This is a straight plank and to get the right hull shape the 1 bilge plank is spliced.
Small clamps are used instead of the originally used "houten klaas" but the functionality is the same keeping the plank in the right position.
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The chains are still doing their job very well, hope I can stil use them during a later stage in the build.
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Only the SB top bilge plank to be fitted before major dust can be produced for fitting the liggers and zitters.

This is the current status.
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Good morning Marteen. Wow this is a technical build and you are owning it. Cheers Grant
 
fascinating!
(I still have to get used to the shape of the rear though. Maybe the photos are deceiving...)
The stern of the fluyt will be very full bodied as is the bow. All to get as much tree trunks on board as possible. At this height in the stern also the cargo hatch just above the waterline will be located.
Planking lower stern.jpg
 
Looking at your model .....
when every you want to stop the work on this model you can easily say "Now she is finished"
because you have permanently created a great diorama of a shipyard

Great work
Hi Uwe,
It was my idea to try do as much as possible like it is the build of a full size 17th century build.
The next step when fitting the scheerstrook will really be a challenge.
 
Today I placed the last two planks on the SB bilge to finish my bath tub.
Below the result of the shell first build part before starting to fill her up with floor timbers.
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The guidence blocks for the garboard stroke are removed.
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Next is the tingel which is a triangular shaped plank. This creates a space between the keel and planking and floor timbers like the limber hole in the floor timbers on English ships.
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And in reality on the Samuel wreck.
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Next time finishing the tingels and starting with the floor timbers.
 
Today I placed the last two planks on the SB bilge to finish my bath tub.
Below the result of the shell first build part before starting to fill her up with floor timbers.
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The guidence blocks for the garboard stroke are removed.
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Next is the tingel which is a triangular shaped plank. This creates a space between the keel and planking and floor timbers like the limber hole in the floor timbers on English ships.
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And in reality on the Samuel wreck.
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Next time finishing the tingels and starting with the floor timbers.
Exemplary work, Maarten.
Now you could also consider to change your shipyard into a diorama and have multiple hulls next to one another in various stages of assembly to show the “shell first” assembly process. Just a suggestion, no pressure or anything…
 
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