I time consuming proces, Maarten. But with a nice outcome.
Regards, Peter
A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36
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Nicely done, Maarten. Everything looks just off enough to be right...
Perfectly executed imperfections. Very well done Maarten.
I love this comment…very true story.
There is some progress on the fluyt. While now working on the stern the progress slows down as the shape of every "ligger" and "zitter" changes.
Now the liggers are fitted the zitters will be made to fit in between the liggers.
Plenty spaces to fill.
Slowly the zitters find there place in the hull.
And the current status.
More zitters to follow.
The number of liggers and zitters I fitted is around 18/19 per 4 mtr hull length at bilge level.
This is on the lower end of the Dutch flush index for shell first build ships.
The framing of Dutch build ships is rather light compared to Iberian, Engish or French build ships which means a lot but lighter build frames.
Find here an interesting paper about this Dutch flush index on academia.edu.
Now the liggers are fitted the zitters will be made to fit in between the liggers.
Plenty spaces to fill.
Slowly the zitters find there place in the hull.
And the current status.
More zitters to follow.
The number of liggers and zitters I fitted is around 18/19 per 4 mtr hull length at bilge level.
This is on the lower end of the Dutch flush index for shell first build ships.
The framing of Dutch build ships is rather light compared to Iberian, Engish or French build ships which means a lot but lighter build frames.
Find here an interesting paper about this Dutch flush index on academia.edu.
Early Modern Merchant Ships, Nicolaes Witsen and a Dutch-Flush Index.
Early Modern Merchant Ships, Nicolaes Witsen and a Dutch-Flush Index.
www.academia.edu
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Every step of your build is a pleasure for the eyes, Maarten. Chapeaux!There is some progress on the fluyt. While now working on the stern the progress slows down as the shape of every "ligger" and "zitter" changes.
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Now the liggers are fitted the zitters will be made to fit in between the liggers.
Plenty spaces to fill.
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Slowly the zitters find there place in the hull.
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And the current status.
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More zitters to follow.
The number of liggers and zitters I fitted is around 18/19 per 4 mtr hull length at bilge level.
This is on the lower end of the Dutch flush index for shell first build ships.
The framing of Dutch build ships is rather light compared to Iberian, Engish or French build ships which means a lot but lighter build frames.
Find here an interesting paper about this Dutch flush index on academia.edu.
Early Modern Merchant Ships, Nicolaes Witsen and a Dutch-Flush Index.
Early Modern Merchant Ships, Nicolaes Witsen and a Dutch-Flush Index.www.academia.edu
Regards, Peter
I agree with Peter. Your work is a delight to see!
Thx gents, call it controlled chaos 
Finally the last liggers and zitters are fitted in the shell.
As they said in Dutch "ze is volgezet met hout" or she is filled with timbers. See below an overview of the filled shell.
These were the last timbers before the scheerstrook is setup which determines the shape of the upper part of the hull.
But before we get to the scheerstrook which is one of the most interesting parts of the build we first have the tedious task of fixing all the timbers with tree nails. In the real build this was done after fitting each timber as the timbers replace the temporary clamps which held the planks together. I have done that with pva glue but also add the tree nails.
Treenails were fitted in several stages. First treenails were fitted to connect the outer planks to the timbers so the clamps could be removed to fit the next timber, these are the treenails I fit now, a limited number of only 1 per plank/timber. After the ceiling was fitted a second time treenails were fitted through the ceiling planks and again through the timbers and outer planking. The is a nice paper about this from Thijs Maarleveld from which below pictures come.
The treenails I make from boxwood using a table saw and a drawplate.
The tree nail is a wooden pin fitted through the wood and pegged on both sides with a wooden pin expanding the treenail and fixing it.
See below the treenail on the anchor in my garden.
How thick is this treenail?
Exactly 1 thumb (INCH)
To scale in my hull 1 Amsterdam thumb is 0,7 mm. In wrecks I have seen small differences in size of treenails used, even in the same wreck.
For my hull I have decided to make treenails of 0.9 mm which is 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumb.
As mentioned I saw them from boxwood.
First small 1mm square and pulling them through a Jim Byrnes drawplate to get a 0.85 mm round treenail.
Now drilling one hole per timber plank connection and fitting nails.
The nails go all the way thrue and will be trimmed afterwards.
Still plenty to go.
As they said in Dutch "ze is volgezet met hout" or she is filled with timbers. See below an overview of the filled shell.
These were the last timbers before the scheerstrook is setup which determines the shape of the upper part of the hull.
But before we get to the scheerstrook which is one of the most interesting parts of the build we first have the tedious task of fixing all the timbers with tree nails. In the real build this was done after fitting each timber as the timbers replace the temporary clamps which held the planks together. I have done that with pva glue but also add the tree nails.
Treenails were fitted in several stages. First treenails were fitted to connect the outer planks to the timbers so the clamps could be removed to fit the next timber, these are the treenails I fit now, a limited number of only 1 per plank/timber. After the ceiling was fitted a second time treenails were fitted through the ceiling planks and again through the timbers and outer planking. The is a nice paper about this from Thijs Maarleveld from which below pictures come.
The treenails I make from boxwood using a table saw and a drawplate.
The tree nail is a wooden pin fitted through the wood and pegged on both sides with a wooden pin expanding the treenail and fixing it.
See below the treenail on the anchor in my garden.
How thick is this treenail?
Exactly 1 thumb (INCH)
To scale in my hull 1 Amsterdam thumb is 0,7 mm. In wrecks I have seen small differences in size of treenails used, even in the same wreck.
For my hull I have decided to make treenails of 0.9 mm which is 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumb.
As mentioned I saw them from boxwood.
First small 1mm square and pulling them through a Jim Byrnes drawplate to get a 0.85 mm round treenail.
Now drilling one hole per timber plank connection and fitting nails.
The nails go all the way thrue and will be trimmed afterwards.
Still plenty to go.
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It's like visiting the ship room at the Rijksmuseum... Fantastic.
Can you convert 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumbs to Imperial measurements for me
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Can you convert 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumbs to Imperial measurements for me
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My thumb or Maarten's thumb? That's quite a difference.It's like visiting the ship room at the Rijksmuseum... Fantastic.
Can you convert 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumbs to Imperial measurements for me
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an immaculate conception.....!
Good morning Maarten. Fantastic construction- scale it up it could be in a real world shipyard……Maartens thumb measurement and all
. Cheers Grant
Just because you askedIt's like visiting the ship room at the Rijksmuseum... Fantastic.
Can you convert 1 1/4 Amsterdam thumbs to Imperial measurements for me
in mm and inch:1 Amsterdam thumb 283,1 / 11 = 25,736 / 25,4 = 1,0132"/thumb × 1,25 = 1,1625"
In scale 25,736 / 36 = 0,715 mm x 1.25 = 0,89 mm
You have done a GREAT job, Maarten. You deserve a big WOW!. With very good looking treenails.
Regards, Peter
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Your approach to try and build the old fashioned Dutch way, shell first and use whatever is available and affordable, is mesmerizing. It is somehow in line with the old Dutch buildings, not perfect, not necessarily all perpendicular, crooked, going with the flow of nature, instead of bending it to our whims. Beautiful.
Treenailing is progressing, now over 80% finished.
After treenailing I also have to fix the liggers to the keel. According the SO 1 wreck this was done with up to 4 nails through the ligger into the keel. Finally after the keelsom or in Dutch het zaathout is fitted there was a large bolt fitted through the zaathout, ligger and kiel (keel).
The nails were mostly square so for this I use 0,8 mm square brass strip.
A test was done with it on one of the liggers.
Plenty to follow after sanding of the liggers and zitters.
After treenailing I also have to fix the liggers to the keel. According the SO 1 wreck this was done with up to 4 nails through the ligger into the keel. Finally after the keelsom or in Dutch het zaathout is fitted there was a large bolt fitted through the zaathout, ligger and kiel (keel).
The nails were mostly square so for this I use 0,8 mm square brass strip.
A test was done with it on one of the liggers.
Plenty to follow after sanding of the liggers and zitters.
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