A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36
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Hallo Maarten,
enjoy the time in Asia
and when you come back take a look at this post - I guess interesting for you
enjoy the time in Asia
and when you come back take a look at this post - I guess interesting for you
Framing Samuel
In the duscussion about the framing of Dutch ships, the framing of the E81- or Samuel-wreck is often referred to. Here are some pictures of the E81- or Samuel-wreck that may be of use in that discussion. The pictures were made in 1969 when the E81- or Samuel-wreck was still 'fresh'. Later...
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Hi Uwe, Thx and yes I am familiar with these. I have and still use a lot of data from the Samuel wreck.
There are loads of drawings and pictures of her on the site of the Dutch culturele heritage board, also of other wrecks.
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Haha, none of both. Currently in Laos and the food is great.
Some local shipping on the Mekong between Luang Prabang and Houay Xay.
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Apart from the travel reports, the building log in itself is also quite interesting. I thoroughly enjoy your 3D definition process and the associated descriptions and context with the original building process. This brings me to the following; why on earth were Dutch shipwrights adamant in not creating drawings? "A drawings says more than a thousand words" was a phrase, often used in the engineering world.
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I would never say lack of necessity [of a drawing]. In order to reliably plan and/or build anything, you need a reliable engineering definition, of which detailed drawings are part of, in my humble opinion.
Please note that Maarten spends time on the definition of his fluyt. Apart from his apparent desire to verify his research against a drawing/model, he simultaneously translates and verifies the verbal descriptions of van Yk and Witsen into a visual description, allowing him also to create parts from these drawings. The verbal descriptions don't give any verification of the producability, whereas a mock-up, the 3D-models do.
There's much more to say about engineering definitions and drawings/models, but hey, this isn't my blog.
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Dear Maarten
Your model diary as well as the photos from the trip are simply stunning, continue to enjoy life on all levels
Hello Maarten, I'm playing catchup here. This has to be one of the most unique builds I have ever seen. Bravo!
Good afternoon Maarten. Wow what an exciting holiday. Enjoy. Cheers Grant
Hi gents,
Thx for ypur comments.
Regarding lack of drawings on paper this doesn't mean the ships were not designed. On the bow and stern curvature and the tumblehome you clearly see proportional radii which couls have been drawn on a mould. This means not a drawing but certainly a design guideline.
For the shape of the futtocks it is just the design of the main frame copied forward and aft and rising due to the rising floor.
So I won't say there were no drawings involved but they were not on paper.
Thx for ypur comments.
Regarding lack of drawings on paper this doesn't mean the ships were not designed. On the bow and stern curvature and the tumblehome you clearly see proportional radii which couls have been drawn on a mould. This means not a drawing but certainly a design guideline.
For the shape of the futtocks it is just the design of the main frame copied forward and aft and rising due to the rising floor.
So I won't say there were no drawings involved but they were not on paper.
Hello Maarten,
Why are you so sure that no drawings on paper were involved?
We find these drawings on paper everywhere.
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that's true, every time I see a building kit of a Dutch ship, there are drawings inside the box. And if you don't mentioning these drawings, then is your word "everywhere" a big word to use.
But back in 1700 there was no need for drawings, just try by yourself to build a ship like Witsen and Yk describe and you will convinced to that there was no need of drawings. When using the basic rules they use, the ship could be build without a drawing.
Hi Rodolphe,
We will never be sure for 100%. But if you have any construction drawings of a Dutch ship of the 17th century please share it. There are some sketch drawings in musea but nothing like a real design that I am aware of.
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It is fairly safe to say that for much, if not most, of the 17th century virtually no one drew complete scale plans on paper, that is, containing the contours of all the frames. For these were only traced to actual scale on mould loft. And this way of proceeding applied to the entire continent, including the Mediterranean/English style of design. In this light, such an identical practice among the Dutch did not stand out as anything special or unique. One just has to be able to see the whole picture.
And no, the works of Witsen and van Yk alone do not enable an authoritative reconstruction of the shapes of the ships in their entirety, as is perhaps best demonstrated, above all, by today's notorious practice of desperately resorting to images of an artistic nature for this very purpose, and other sources as well, even by the best luminaries of both these works.