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It's always a pleasure to see a new update of your really interesting build. O hope to see you and your model in Amsterdam end September again.
A Dutch Fluyt in shell first, reconstructing the "Ghost ship" scale 1:36
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Nicely flowing lines in the bow, Maarten. And a handsome ‘curve-shape-bender’.
Regards, Peter
Hi Heinrich,
This shape is still thrue full to the original drawings I made.
The original drawings are mainly on the upper part of the hull as the bottom is sunken into the sand. The current hull profile is mainly determined by the shape of the cross section scan.
I will be in Amsterdam and guess you will be moving back to the Netherlands I hope to see you there.
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Thank you, Maarten.
After the preparations to shape the bow it is now time to start with this.
We have an empty shell to fill and there are different ways to fill it.
In the 18 century models you see nicely styled hawser pieces but that won't be the case here.
As examples I have again studied a lot of different wrecks of Dutch build ships from the 17th century. Again the Tallinn wreck, the Anna Maria, Samuel but also the willem barentz replica.
First I have to determine if the frame members are placed parallel to axis of the hull or parallel to the curvature of the planks.
From the wrecks we can see the frames are parallel with the planks as they the follow the line of the planks.
Tallinn wreck
Anna Maria
This is also the construction which uses the timbers in the most economical way.
In Anna Maria the timbers seems also placed under an angle spreading outward if you are looking from the fwd side to the ship.
At last I have to determine if I make the bow frame timbers from one piece each or if I place two layers of timbers to reach the top.
In his fluyt model @Ab Hoving used two layers as you can see below.
In the Willem Barentz replica a single timber is used.
In the bow of Anna Maria I do see a double row of timbers at the height of the wale, which would mean there would have been two layers of timbers joining at the wale.
Secondly at the Tallinn fluyt there is a hawse hole block mounted in the hull at the same height which means the timbers stop at that height. The PS one is even missing where you can clearly see this.
In the SB side you can see this is one massive block fitted on top of the lower row of timbers.
Two layer is also more economical as the long heavy curved timber are more expensive.
Therefore I decided to make two layers of timbers with the first ending like the timbers in the sides at the height of the wale. These timbers are now fitted and only 5 left to be made.
See below the current status.
We have an empty shell to fill and there are different ways to fill it.
In the 18 century models you see nicely styled hawser pieces but that won't be the case here.
As examples I have again studied a lot of different wrecks of Dutch build ships from the 17th century. Again the Tallinn wreck, the Anna Maria, Samuel but also the willem barentz replica.
First I have to determine if the frame members are placed parallel to axis of the hull or parallel to the curvature of the planks.
From the wrecks we can see the frames are parallel with the planks as they the follow the line of the planks.
Tallinn wreck
Anna Maria
This is also the construction which uses the timbers in the most economical way.
In Anna Maria the timbers seems also placed under an angle spreading outward if you are looking from the fwd side to the ship.
At last I have to determine if I make the bow frame timbers from one piece each or if I place two layers of timbers to reach the top.
In his fluyt model @Ab Hoving used two layers as you can see below.
In the Willem Barentz replica a single timber is used.
In the bow of Anna Maria I do see a double row of timbers at the height of the wale, which would mean there would have been two layers of timbers joining at the wale.
Secondly at the Tallinn fluyt there is a hawse hole block mounted in the hull at the same height which means the timbers stop at that height. The PS one is even missing where you can clearly see this.
In the SB side you can see this is one massive block fitted on top of the lower row of timbers.
Two layer is also more economical as the long heavy curved timber are more expensive.
Therefore I decided to make two layers of timbers with the first ending like the timbers in the sides at the height of the wale. These timbers are now fitted and only 5 left to be made.
See below the current status.
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Great research...great modeling!
Wow, that is awesome modeling.
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With the painting in the background I am thinking that you work in a museum.
Haha, none that is art of Ab and Emiel Hoving. I just put it on plexiglass
The double timbers I mean that the space is filled with two layers of timbers, one between floor up to the wale and the second layer from wale up to the fore castle deck. Single means fill it with one long piece of frame timber.
That is not that simple as I only use three frames, keel, bow, stern and scheerstrook which determine the shape of the hull. These are the pre designed parts and enable you to build it. This means the hull shape is partly determined by the building process.
I can try to scan the hull with a 3d app.
Well, what I meant was that it would be extremely interesting if lines of imaginary frames were drawn from this hull afterwards.
I could myself get a good idea of the resulting hull shape in my mind's eye with the help of such lines.
Even better, of course, if I had the original in front of me. But I will hardly have the opportunity to do that.
I find your work extremely exciting and informative. Thank you very much for letting us share in it.
I could myself get a good idea of the resulting hull shape in my mind's eye with the help of such lines.
Even better, of course, if I had the original in front of me. But I will hardly have the opportunity to do that.
I find your work extremely exciting and informative. Thank you very much for letting us share in it.