Thanks Zoly. I am really enjoying it. I can already tell that wooden models are much more komplex, but on the other hand you are more free in building them, because you can form everything if you know how.
Good work!
Very good progress - I am getting the feeling, that there is more and more a new fan of wooden ship-modelling grown up....
Thank you Uwek. I would start earlier, but I honestly did not know that there is anything like wooden modeling before. In the hobby shop in my town there are only plastic models and very few basic wooden kits. I thought that they did not exist at all, and that the kits are only plastic.
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Dear fellow modelers. Last evening I fitted all the bulkheads and I have new issue. It seems that the rabbet line is drawn well because I measured it couple of times and also most of the bulkheads are following this line, but it is looking like there is lot more space then necessary for the rabbet. I tried to fit there final width planking. See in the pictures.
I know I need to trim the rabbet line little bit more, but you can see here that if I push the planks against bulkheads there is visable space.
I tought about this and there is couple of solutions. First is try to fit plannking as good as possible from bottom of ship. Or try to do it naturally and if there will be visible space use walnut straps to fit in the hollow space.
Any suggestions?
I know I need to trim the rabbet line little bit more, but you can see here that if I push the planks against bulkheads there is visable space.
I tought about this and there is couple of solutions. First is try to fit plannking as good as possible from bottom of ship. Or try to do it naturally and if there will be visible space use walnut straps to fit in the hollow space.
Any suggestions?
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I checked in the manual of this model - it is double planked model, so you have to use therefore the complete thickness of the first plus the second walnut planking as a measure for the rabbet-line !! Or did you already added both in your trial?
Yes there are both, I glued them together, I have seen couple of building logs. In one to all bulkhead were added some wood in other the first plank for boat is really narrow. Look at the picture from other building log.
One of the way how can I make all the bulkhead little bit down, to narrow the visible space, is to sand little material from the middle of the bulkheads also send the center keel from top, that everything on deck will be aligned, or just maybe use the same method as is on picture abowe.
When installing the garboard plank, which is the first plank above the keel, it will be fitted directly flush with the keel. It looks to me that your rabbit is not tapered properly going towards the keel.There are still flat spots at the bottom of the bulkheads on the keel former. The taper of the rabbit should follow the angle of the bulkheads. Solution would be to refine the taper of the rabbit properly. Having also built this model I know to get this done properly will not leave much material left on the keel former but that is what is necessary. If you cannot solve the problem completely doing this you can also bevel the edge(the one against the keel) of the plank to help with the fit.
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This sketch is very often used to explain and show the cross section of the keel showing also the rabbet
Thanks Uwe then is very nice sketch how the real ships are looking. Explains a lot.
So Don you are telling that I should cut the center keel like the red line on this sketch below? To somehow copy the way how bulkhead is going? To smoth the transition from bulkhead to center keel.
It means I did nothing wrong just was afraid to thin the center keel. Good thing I have added nails there. Hopefully nothing breaks.
So Don you are telling that I should cut the center keel like the red line on this sketch below? To somehow copy the way how bulkhead is going? To smoth the transition from bulkhead to center keel.
It means I did nothing wrong just was afraid to thin the center keel. Good thing I have added nails there. Hopefully nothing breaks.
That is correct. This was my first model also and I struggled with this as I could not understand it or the concept. I have added a drawing, although, not very good!
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Looking at your drawing you have the exact idea, and it is scary how thin the keel will become!!
Looking at your drawing you have the exact idea, and it is scary how thin the keel will become!!
Thanks for your advice. I will do it. I will be very carefull with that. I know it will be again reinforced when the planking will be done. But until then, will take every precotions.That is correct. This was my first model also and I struggled with this as I could not understand it or the concept. I have added a drawing, although, not very good!
Looking at your drawing you have the exact idea, and it is scary how thin the keel will become!!
Dear fellow modelers. Today was again success.
I managed, thanks to your advice, to cut rabbet. I need to sand it little bit more but I am happy how it went. Everywhere on the stern, keel and sterpost I should be able to fit double planking. Here are some pictures of my work.
See no visible space.
I still need to sand the bulheads to fit everything properly.
Also I had to widen the sloth on the stern. Now I understand why I had to form it in the first place.
Images from sternpost.
You can see that on the sternpost area it is in line with keel.
I also needed to shim two bulkhead from deck side. I used material from laser cut plank where all the bulkheads and keel where supported in kit.
I need to sand them down.
Here is image of one bulkhead not really in line with deck line. The second one was more serious. But nothing that could not be repaired.
I managed, thanks to your advice, to cut rabbet. I need to sand it little bit more but I am happy how it went. Everywhere on the stern, keel and sterpost I should be able to fit double planking. Here are some pictures of my work.
See no visible space.
I still need to sand the bulheads to fit everything properly.
Also I had to widen the sloth on the stern. Now I understand why I had to form it in the first place.
Images from sternpost.
You can see that on the sternpost area it is in line with keel.
I also needed to shim two bulkhead from deck side. I used material from laser cut plank where all the bulkheads and keel where supported in kit.
I need to sand them down.
Here is image of one bulkhead not really in line with deck line. The second one was more serious. But nothing that could not be repaired.
Dear fellow modelers.
I am continuing with the process.
I did final sanding of rabbet line. You can see nails in same places of he center keel. It was as I thought. The total width of center keel is 5 mm. The nail was 1,5 mm width so basically I needed to trim both sides of center keel by 1,6 mm. At the end the center keel was scary thin as already discussed. Here are some pictures.
I also started to sand and shim the bulkheads according to rabbet line and deck. I also realised that when I will be gluing the bulkheads two things are really important. Of course the 90 degree between bulkheads and center keel but also the bulkheads need to be straight in horizontal line. I thought that in horizont way I am set by the kit as it is but no. When I assembled all the bulkhead it was obvious. So again step by step.
In next picture you can see shimmed and sanded bulkhead from deck side.
And here is the second one before and after.
So far to this step it took me around 20 hours. I am keeping the exact number in my shop.
Till next time.
I am continuing with the process.
I did final sanding of rabbet line. You can see nails in same places of he center keel. It was as I thought. The total width of center keel is 5 mm. The nail was 1,5 mm width so basically I needed to trim both sides of center keel by 1,6 mm. At the end the center keel was scary thin as already discussed. Here are some pictures.
I also started to sand and shim the bulkheads according to rabbet line and deck. I also realised that when I will be gluing the bulkheads two things are really important. Of course the 90 degree between bulkheads and center keel but also the bulkheads need to be straight in horizontal line. I thought that in horizont way I am set by the kit as it is but no. When I assembled all the bulkhead it was obvious. So again step by step.
In next picture you can see shimmed and sanded bulkhead from deck side.
And here is the second one before and after.
So far to this step it took me around 20 hours. I am keeping the exact number in my shop
.Till next time.
Dear fellow modellers.
I started with gluing of the bulkheads to the center keel. I made sure that they are 90 degrees o center keel. At first I tried to use some clamps, but it was not good enough. So at first I found the center on center keel and center on all bulkheads.
I first use wood glue and measured every bulkhead until it sets at least a bit (15 min. approximately) then I measured it again few times and used CA glue for final hold. Some pictures from process.
I did not trim the bulkhead, except first and last. I will be trimming them after deck will be set.
Then I started to reinforce the bulkheads with some 0,8x0,8 mm wood I bought in local hobby shop. I cut cross on every side of the reinforcement wood in order to get there glue without changing anything. I measured everythink few times and make sure everything is ok. Also straightness of center keel was checked.
Here is the reinforcing wood.
And here is the process of gluing. I glued couple of bulkheads and then started with reinforcing them. Always was making sure everythink is in line.
I also started to think how I will band wood. Thanks to this forum i found solution. I will use this kettle with some pvc tubes for steaming the wood.
Need to figure out whether use pvc ot steel tubes as I am using actual fire stove. In the picture below i was testing whether the plastic will melt in the heat of the stove. But I was surpriced. Everythink holded well.
Total time till this stage 30 hours.
Thanks for likes and your help. It is much appreciated from my side. I always try to make things in a way somebody is sitting there with me.
I started with gluing of the bulkheads to the center keel. I made sure that they are 90 degrees o center keel. At first I tried to use some clamps, but it was not good enough. So at first I found the center on center keel and center on all bulkheads.
I first use wood glue and measured every bulkhead until it sets at least a bit (15 min. approximately) then I measured it again few times and used CA glue for final hold. Some pictures from process.
I did not trim the bulkhead, except first and last. I will be trimming them after deck will be set.
Then I started to reinforce the bulkheads with some 0,8x0,8 mm wood I bought in local hobby shop. I cut cross on every side of the reinforcement wood in order to get there glue without changing anything. I measured everythink few times and make sure everything is ok. Also straightness of center keel was checked.
Here is the reinforcing wood.
And here is the process of gluing. I glued couple of bulkheads and then started with reinforcing them. Always was making sure everythink is in line.
I also started to think how I will band wood. Thanks to this forum i found solution. I will use this kettle with some pvc tubes for steaming the wood.
Need to figure out whether use pvc ot steel tubes as I am using actual fire stove. In the picture below i was testing whether the plastic will melt in the heat of the stove. But I was surpriced. Everythink holded well.
Total time till this stage 30 hours.
Thanks for likes and your help. It is much appreciated from my side. I always try to make things in a way somebody is sitting there with me
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So again during weekend there was some progress on my build.
I would like to start with picture of new "working materials".
You can see there Danish oil, black brass (for blackening of brass parts), 2 colours of wooden fillers (for imitation of tree nails - one for the bass wood and one for the american walnut) and black paper (for caulking of deck).
For the progress part I glued more bulkheads on center keel. It is slow process as you all know. I can already see that there will be requriment for some shimming.
You can see on the picture below that bulkhead in red cross is little bit out of line. I will need to add shimming material from right side and sand the left side to keep it in line. I also needed to add some shimming material from top of this bulkhead for the deck smothness.
On next two pictures you can see how is the bulkhead sticking out of he line on left side. Right side should be ok.
I also found out that I do not need to do the cross on each of the supports between bulkheads. It is sufficient to just cut the right lenght and put little drop of CA glue there. You just need to be carefull to put the support in right place. It is to low in red circle. No worries it could be sanded easily.
Thanks for your support.
Total time worked on kit is 45 hours. Of course I am not adding the time spend on finding any information online. It is just working directly on model.
I would like to start with picture of new "working materials"
.You can see there Danish oil, black brass (for blackening of brass parts), 2 colours of wooden fillers (for imitation of tree nails - one for the bass wood and one for the american walnut) and black paper (for caulking of deck).
For the progress part I glued more bulkheads on center keel. It is slow process as you all know. I can already see that there will be requriment for some shimming.
You can see on the picture below that bulkhead in red cross is little bit out of line. I will need to add shimming material from right side and sand the left side to keep it in line. I also needed to add some shimming material from top of this bulkhead for the deck smothness.
On next two pictures you can see how is the bulkhead sticking out of he line on left side. Right side should be ok.
I also found out that I do not need to do the cross on each of the supports between bulkheads. It is sufficient to just cut the right lenght and put little drop of CA glue there. You just need to be carefull to put the support in right place
. It is to low in red circle. No worries it could be sanded easily.Thanks for your support.
Total time worked on kit is 45 hours. Of course I am not adding the time spend on finding any information online. It is just working directly on model.
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Sorry for not posting for a while. During week I had a lot of work with the closing of the financial year in comapany I am working and during weekend I was skialping in High Tatras - the snow conditions got better during last weeks. I got little bit ill and until I will get better I can not go into my workshop. It is chilly there until stove does it´s magic. Here are at least some pictures from mountains.
I tried to rotate pictures but it does not work.
I tried to rotate pictures but it does not work.
Dear fellow modelers. Progress again. I finished all the bulkheads and support for them. I will now have to sand the shimming material from top of the bulkheads I added to make a smoth deck. Then deck is waiting for me. Now I will show you some pictures from the completed bulkhead fitting and gluing.
I needed to add som shimming material from inside, because this bulkhead was to much out from the line. Hopefully it will hold when actual sanding of the bulkheads will be done.
Total time spent on project is 46 hours.
I needed to add som shimming material from inside, because this bulkhead was to much out from the line. Hopefully it will hold when actual sanding of the bulkheads will be done.
Total time spent on project is 46 hours.
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Is that counting the time spent logging everything in SOS?
Your log is very detailed and helpful to follow the discussion of your questions.
Good work!
Thank you very much Brebrarian, it is nice to be appreciated. This is the time I spent working in my workshop only. It also includes some studing of the plans but I try to do the reserch outside of the workshop. If I am in my workshop I try to already know what to do. I am making some kind of imaginary list of steps, so I can follow them. I am not making complete list just few steps. Now I know how to do things for fitting the deck, some shimming material and fairing the hull (It is funny, at first I need to imagine myself doing it and if I am happy with the result way how to do it I fixed the step in my mind and next time in workshop I am doing it). So when I will be ready to fair the hull I will start to do the reserch of after steps.
I study plans, manuals and there are a lot of building logs of this ship so I am trying to find what is best for me. I also have book about Armed Virginia Sloop but to be completely honest I did not read it. Maybe when I will be doing rigging. But this is my first ship. I do not need to overdo myself. I just want to be satisfied with it.
All of this studing i am trying to do outside of workshop also this log is done outside that time.