Thanks, Dean. I started on time with working out sone ideas.
Regards, Peter
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BALDER, Vlaardingen Herring Lugger from 1912, scratch build scale 1:50 Plate-On-Frame
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Regards, Peter
Yesterday and today the 1:50 Balder is /was on board of the 1:1 Balder.
It’s again “sHaring the City” in Vlaardingen:
Regards, Peter
It’s again “sHaring the City” in Vlaardingen:
Regards, Peter
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Thanks to this post of John @oldflyer:
Installed it directly above my work area:
You can see that I clamped it upside down on the front of a shelf above my work area. It can be rotated and adjusted to the needed hight. Middle or side lights can be switched on of off and adjusted in 5 steps of color temperature or stepless and in 5 steps of brightness.
The ideal lighting for me! A lot off value for a nice price. Thanks again John @oldflyer !
Turned to the sidewall you still can see the old single LED-spot. The lamp is held in the socket by a wire. It had already fallen out once, right next to my Balder ....... so it was about time.
Regards, Peter
I ordered the 'architectural style' lamp on --> Amazon <-- and this afternoon it arrived.
Installed it directly above my work area:
You can see that I clamped it upside down on the front of a shelf above my work area. It can be rotated and adjusted to the needed hight. Middle or side lights can be switched on of off and adjusted in 5 steps of color temperature or stepless and in 5 steps of brightness.
The ideal lighting for me! A lot off value for a nice price. Thanks again John @oldflyer !
Turned to the sidewall you still can see the old single LED-spot. The lamp is held in the socket by a wire. It had already fallen out once, right next to my Balder ....... so it was about time.
Regards, Peter
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Good morning Peter. Ha, that looks awesome....the crew must have enjoyed your "little Balder". Cheers Grant
You are right, Grant. We had animated conversations again. Especially with a former volunteer who had worked on the plan for the 2nd restoration in Vlaardingen. He sat looking at the model for a while and said: "I can't find anything that isn't right." And in 2025 he did that also and told the same to his Admiral!
He had also told me that he had been in every space and cavity of the ship and had compared the frames with the original frame plan from the De Jong shipyard. And that something wasn't right; he was missing a frame. I could confirm that: when laying out the 9-barrel holds, I came up a few millimeters short between the net hold and the watertight bulkhead behind the mast. I had already heard from another volunteer that during the 1st restoration in Amsterdam, where the extension of the Balder had been removed again, they had removed one frame too many. That technical volunteer had heard that too. So that is 43.5 cm too much missing, and it explains the differences we observed.
Regards, Peter
Now to me that is incredible, to catch that difference at 1:50. Outstanding!
Hi Peter, yes! The less than exact lines and varying shapes look fantastic and what most would expect to see at a seaside yard. Well done!
That in itself isn't very special, Daniel. To scale, 43.5 cm is still 8.7 mm. If a hatch is 16 mm long, then you miss the dimension of slightly more than half a hatch. And that does stand out.
Regards, Peter
Thanks, Bill. I like your reference with ‘a seaside yard’.
For me they looks like this:
The cobblestones at ‘Paris-Roubaix’ and the Belgian Walloon Classics. On this pictures they lay nicely.
But you have also this:
The ‘road’ in the Forrest of Waller Arenberg.
It’s all about ‘reference’.
Regards, Peter
Started soldering the mast bands, forestay cleat, and flag holder:
-At the rear of the 3 bands, a tab with a link for the peak halyard.
-On the middle band, on either side, a tab with a link for the balloon jib halyard,
-Between the boom and the bottom band, the cleat to hold the eye splice of the forestay in place.
-Above the top band, the extra band with 2 arms containing a sheave in a bracket for both flag lines.
-At the top of the mast, 2 sheaves through which both lines of the topsail halyard run. The mizzen had 2, but because the fore-topsail is larger, a double halyard here.
-At the square 'hommer' an eye bolt for the jib halyard at the front and the peak halyard at the rear.
On the Balder, both arms are used for the flag lines.
I came across this in the files with old drawings:
There it is labeled as 'Lantern Hanger'. When the foremast is lowered while fishing, this part of the mast hangs closer to the deck. I can imagine that a lantern hoisted up there would provide extra light on the deck. I haven't encountered that before. Something else to investigate further.
I attached a small bracket to the end of both arms, between which I inserted a small M0.8 mm washer. Because a small pin would easily fall out, I added a small M0.6 bolt and nut as a securing measure.
All bands are being removed again because the next step is making the served shrouds that will be placed around the 'hommer'.
After that, I will make all the blocks, and before everything is reinstalled, the top will get a nice coat of white paint again.
Regards, Peter
-At the rear of the 3 bands, a tab with a link for the peak halyard.
-On the middle band, on either side, a tab with a link for the balloon jib halyard,
-Between the boom and the bottom band, the cleat to hold the eye splice of the forestay in place.
-Above the top band, the extra band with 2 arms containing a sheave in a bracket for both flag lines.
-At the top of the mast, 2 sheaves through which both lines of the topsail halyard run. The mizzen had 2, but because the fore-topsail is larger, a double halyard here.
-At the square 'hommer' an eye bolt for the jib halyard at the front and the peak halyard at the rear.
On the Balder, both arms are used for the flag lines.
I came across this in the files with old drawings:
There it is labeled as 'Lantern Hanger'. When the foremast is lowered while fishing, this part of the mast hangs closer to the deck. I can imagine that a lantern hoisted up there would provide extra light on the deck. I haven't encountered that before. Something else to investigate further.
I attached a small bracket to the end of both arms, between which I inserted a small M0.8 mm washer. Because a small pin would easily fall out, I added a small M0.6 bolt and nut as a securing measure.
All bands are being removed again because the next step is making the served shrouds that will be placed around the 'hommer'.
After that, I will make all the blocks, and before everything is reinstalled, the top will get a nice coat of white paint again.
Regards, Peter
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Hi Peter,
Great work again.
Regarding the wharf floor for these fishing wharfes I am not sure about the choice for your stone floor, allthough it looks great. The old shipyards had mainly wooden floors as you can see here on the historic yard in Spakenburg.
Great work again.
Regarding the wharf floor for these fishing wharfes I am not sure about the choice for your stone floor, allthough it looks great. The old shipyards had mainly wooden floors as you can see here on the historic yard in Spakenburg.
True story
Thanks for this picture, Maarten. I think it will be a combination of stones and wood. So far, I have glued the stones onto thick paper, so nothing is final yet.
Now I still have plenty of time to work out the different options.
Regards, Peter
'It's all in de details.'
That’s no problem, Shota. Can’t hear you from that distance
, but can read you compliments!Thanks for this, Shota.it's a masterpiece
Regards, Peter
Thanks to a member on the Dutch forum (Klaas) with whom I have quite a lot of contact, I have now found out what kind of lanterns are hoisted in the lantern hanger. I assumed lanterns on the deck were used to illuminate work on deck.
Klaas asked me what kind of navigation lights the Balder carried during the night? Because there are regulations for that:
See the right column. So for both daytime and nighttime.
Some time ago I had asked that to one of the older crew members who actually fished on a logger. He talked about a black cone in the mast.
And via a link Klaas included in his post, I came across this text:
Other fishing vessels (not trawlers):
Fishing vessels that fish in a different way (for example with lines or gillnets) carry different lights to indicate their specific status:
• Night (Lighting):
• Two all-round lights one above the other: the top one red and the bottom one white.
• Sidelights and a stern light when the ship is moving through the water.
• If the deployed fishing gear extends more than 150 meters horizontally beyond the ship: an additional all-round white light in the direction of the fishing gear.
• During the day (Daymarks):
• The same hourglass daymark (two cones with the points facing each other).
• If the fishing gear extends more than 150 meters horizontally: an additional single cone with the point upwards, placed in the direction of the net.
It is starting to become a bit clearer. The text 'Lantaarnhanger' on the old drawing led me astray. I thought of lanterns to have more light on the deck while fishing. But now I estimate that it is signaling for the night. Due to the extension and the spread position, the cones and/or lights can still be pulled up in both arms next to the lowered mast:
The Balder had a rope at the bow and with the wind on the bow and the mizzen sail set, she kept the net taut in front of her. Then there was over 2 km just ahead of the bow.
When hauling in, the net was taken off the rope at the bow and then pulled in on the starboard side.
I make my Balder in a 'daytime' situation. I think those cones will give just that little extra then. So, the single cone on the starboard side and the double one on the port side.
Regards, Peter
Klaas asked me what kind of navigation lights the Balder carried during the night? Because there are regulations for that:
See the right column. So for both daytime and nighttime.
Some time ago I had asked that to one of the older crew members who actually fished on a logger. He talked about a black cone in the mast.
And via a link Klaas included in his post, I came across this text:
Other fishing vessels (not trawlers):
Fishing vessels that fish in a different way (for example with lines or gillnets) carry different lights to indicate their specific status:
• Night (Lighting):
• Two all-round lights one above the other: the top one red and the bottom one white.
• Sidelights and a stern light when the ship is moving through the water.
• If the deployed fishing gear extends more than 150 meters horizontally beyond the ship: an additional all-round white light in the direction of the fishing gear.
• During the day (Daymarks):
• The same hourglass daymark (two cones with the points facing each other).
• If the fishing gear extends more than 150 meters horizontally: an additional single cone with the point upwards, placed in the direction of the net.
It is starting to become a bit clearer. The text 'Lantaarnhanger' on the old drawing led me astray. I thought of lanterns to have more light on the deck while fishing. But now I estimate that it is signaling for the night. Due to the extension and the spread position, the cones and/or lights can still be pulled up in both arms next to the lowered mast:
The Balder had a rope at the bow and with the wind on the bow and the mizzen sail set, she kept the net taut in front of her. Then there was over 2 km just ahead of the bow.
When hauling in, the net was taken off the rope at the bow and then pulled in on the starboard side.
I make my Balder in a 'daytime' situation. I think those cones will give just that little extra then. So, the single cone on the starboard side and the double one on the port side.
Regards, Peter
Excellent research, Peter. It all adds to the presentation.
Excellent research, Peter. It all adds to the presentation.