BALDER, Vlaardingen Herring Lugger from 1912, scratch build scale 1:50 Plate-On-Frame

Maarten said:
Hi Peter, as I am late congratulations with your birthday for next year :-) .
See you already spent more time making your pictures then I have to build my ship ROTF. But the results are really outstanding. Looking forward to see the model in person and be amazed by the small scale she actually is.
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Thanks, Maarten. The after-party is still going on …… :) Making pictures is becoming more a routine with some combined functions under buttons in Photoshop. I am also looking forward to see the current state of our models in real life.
Regards, Peter
 
It's time to start working with wood on the deck. I had already done some tests with the planks and black calking. Although these are black on the Balder, they still showed quite dominant. That's why I did a test with grey.
I also took the original dimensions into account:
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The planks are 117 mm wide, the joints 11.5 mm and the plugs 29 mm.
In scale 1:50 these are respectively 2.35 / 0.23 / 0.58 mm

I'm going to use beech wood that I had already bought from Hans @Kolderstok during the build of my Bluenose. He had sawn slats of 250 x 1.2 mm for me. Given the thickness of the grey paper, I'm going to saw slats of 2.7 mm from it.

For the grey strips between the planks I made a template in which I can cut the strips:
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I glued 2 planks to a piece of aluminium according to their thickness. Then I always have the same correct thickness. I made the scalpel extra sharp by stropping it on a leather strop.

I glued the strip on the long and the end side of some slats:
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With this as a result:
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Under the 1st test with black. Above with grey. The treatment with linseed oil makes the grey slightly darker in colour. The base under both tests is the grey paper used. I have to press the 'impressions' to imitate the plugs less deeply.

Then a comparison of the dimensions between the original and the test, with a less deep plug:
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I had to reduce the upper original considerably, the test inflated.
The plug was made with a 0.5 mm hollow punch.
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
It's time to start working with wood on the deck. I had already done some tests with the planks and black calking. Although these are black on the Balder, they still showed quite dominant. That's why I did a test with grey.
I also took the original dimensions into account:
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The planks are 117 mm wide, the joints 11.5 mm and the plugs 29 mm.
In scale 1:50 these are respectively 2.35 / 0.23 / 0.58 mm

I'm going to use beech wood that I had already bought from Hans @Kolderstok during the build of my Bluenose. He had sawn slats of 250 x 1.2 mm for me. Given the thickness of the grey paper, I'm going to saw slats of 2.7 mm from it.

For the grey strips between the planks I made a template in which I can cut the strips:
View attachment 512107
I glued 2 planks to a piece of aluminium according to their thickness. Then I always have the same correct thickness. I made the scalpel extra sharp by stropping it on a leather strop.

I glued the strip on the long and the end side of some slats:
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With this as a result:
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Under the 1st test with black. Above with grey. The treatment with linseed oil makes the grey slightly darker in colour. The base under both tests is the grey paper used. I have to press the 'impressions' to imitate the plugs less deeply.

Then a comparison of the dimensions between the original and the test, with a less deep plug:
View attachment 512110
I had to reduce the upper original considerably, the test inflated.
The plug was made with a 0.5 mm hollow punch.
Regards, Peter
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Good morning Peter. Planning and testing is one of the reasons why you are a master at this craft, always carefully set out. I prefer the grey only because at this scale I think the black is too prominent.....maybe get a light black ROTF ROTF. Your scale measurements are prefect however I wonder if there is another way of doing the plugs......I'm just not a fan of impressions for plug and treenails (just personal thing). Cheers Grant
 
Hi Peter, I wasn't going to say anything, but Grant has now said what I was thinking so I'll pop in. A real plug fits in perfectly and smoothly with no 'impression' in the wood surface. Your current approach misses, somewhat, what exists in real life and appears to my eye to be out of scale for that reason. In other words, I suspect you are doing it this way to make the plug blend in - and the result is the opposite for me.

OK, I'll now crawl back under my rock and watch your masterful work.
 
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BradNSW said:
Superb duplication of the decking in every respect! The inclusion of the plugs at this scale is great attention to detail!

Thanks for sharing.
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Maarten said:
I prefer the grey, somehow it is looking more to scale.
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GrantTyler said:
Good morning Peter. Planning and testing is one of the reasons why you are a master at this craft, always carefully set out. I prefer the grey only because at this scale I think the black is too prominent.....maybe get a light black ROTF ROTF. Your scale measurements are prefect however I wonder if there is another way of doing the plugs......I'm just not a fan of impressions for plug and treenails (just personal thing). Cheers Grant
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dockattner said:
Hi Peter, I wasn't going to say anything, but Grant has now said what I was thinking so I'll pop in. A real plug fits in perfectly and smoothly with no 'impression' in the wood surface. Your current approach misses, somewhat, what exists in real life and appears to my eye to be out of scale for that reason. In other words, I suspect you are doing it this way to make the plug blend in - and the result is the opposite for me.

OK, I now crawl back under my rock and watch your masterful work.
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Thanks for your reactions, Brad, Maarten, Grant and Paul.
The grey is going to be because a whole deck with black joints is too dominant.
I was also not entirely happy with the plugs. The impressions disturbed the wood to much. Test with a kind of treenails is definitely coming.
Regards, Peter
 
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Greetings, mon ami! If I am allowed to say, I join the choir of the above members and think that plugs, the way they presented, will be too prominent for the scale. The topmost left is the only one that looks to scale, IMHO, but then it is possible to make all of the 'plugs' the same. I assume you are using the blunt needle, correct?
Also, the grey caulking looks better, did you try some light brown? BTW, I really like your approach to building the models.

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall
 
Jimsky said:
Greetings, mon ami! If I am allowed to say, I join the choir of the above members and think that plugs, the way they presented, will be too prominent for the scale. The topmost left is the only one that looks to scale, IMHO, but then it is possible to make all of the 'plugs' the same. I assume you are using the blunt needle, correct?
Also, the grey caulking looks better, did you try some light brown? BTW, I really like your approach to building the models.
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Thanks for you input, Jim. Much appreciated and hold you sharp!
Jimsky said:
All in all, it's just another brick in the wall
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That’s what it is here on this SoS.
Regards, Peter
 
dockattner said:
Hi Peter, I wasn't going to say anything, but Grant has now said what I was thinking so I'll pop in. A real plug fits in perfectly and smoothly with no 'impression' in the wood surface. Your current approach misses, somewhat, what exists in real life and appears to my eye to be out of scale for that reason. In other words, I suspect you are doing it this way to make the plug blend in - and the result is the opposite for me.

OK, I'll now crawl back under my rock and watch your masterful work.
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For this reason, I now regret having simulated the plugs on my Flying Cloud deck. It ended up looking like the plugs were wearing the deck and not the other way 'round. Once I started there was no going back. Peter's habit of making test samples is the way to go. And to take the extra time to see if you really are pleased with the result or not, and get some opinions on SoS. Thumbsup
 
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Peter Gutterman said:
For this reason, I now regret having simulated the plugs on my Flying Cloud deck. It ended up looking like the plugs were wearing the deck and not the other way 'round. Once I started there was no going back. Peter's habit of making test samples is the way to go. And to take the extra time to see if you really are pleased with the result or not. and get some opinions on SoS. Thumbsup
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Thanks for your comment and compliments, Pete. The advantages of scratch or building ‘out of the box’ is that you have to overthink almost everything. And don’t hurry and listen to your fellow modelers.
Regards, Peter
 
Fallen back to my old technique as done on my Bluenose:
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Making points in the drawplate. Here still with a toothpick, for this test with pieces of beech from the planks.

Then it will look like this:
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The end grain of the wood absorbs more linseed oil. That's why they are darker than the plank itself. But gives it gives a nice contrast, also in combination with the grey seams. In real 'Life' it looks even better ..... :)
Regards, Peter
 
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