Awesome work @Francis Jonet !!!! I am following with huge interests. And many thanks to Uwe, to bring this great build to us 
Thank you both!
Thank you both!
COMMERCE de MARSEILLE - Model of an 118-Gun Ship in scale 1:72 / Modéle au 1/72 d'un vaisseau de 118 canons - by Francis JONET
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Tout d'abord, félicitation à Uwe pour son travail de traduction, c'est un travail fastidieux qui demande persévérence.
À Maarten : je n'ai pas compris le problème de brunissage, à quel moment en est-il question dans la présentation des image ?
À Donnie et Zoltan : vos appréciations sont flatteuses, merci.
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First of all, congratulations to Uwe for his translation work, it is a tedious job that requires persistence.
To Maarten: I did not understand the browning problem, when is it mentioned in the presentation of the images?
To Donnie and Zoltan: your comments are flattering, thank you.
À Maarten : je n'ai pas compris le problème de brunissage, à quel moment en est-il question dans la présentation des image ?
À Donnie et Zoltan : vos appréciations sont flatteuses, merci.
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First of all, congratulations to Uwe for his translation work, it is a tedious job that requires persistence.
To Maarten: I did not understand the browning problem, when is it mentioned in the presentation of the images?
To Donnie and Zoltan: your comments are flattering, thank you.
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Jim and Norway, same thanks.
I have always wondered wether MASTER builders such as MAARTEN, and FRANCIS and others, are they born with is ability, or is it a learned process, my late wife, her mom, aunt, brothers and my daughter are all excellent painters, my 2 sons me grandsons can not even draw a straight line with out a T SQUAR, just wondering, interested in all comments. Don
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Je ne sais pas si c'est inné, je crois plutôt au désir ou au besoin. Que ce soit pour la peinture ou autre chose. Ce dont je suis certain : c'est en pratiquant que l'on se perfectionne et que l'on s'améliore.
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I do not know if it is innate, I rather believe in desire or need. Whether for painting or something else. What I am sure of is that it is by practicing that one perfects and improves.
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I do not know if it is innate, I rather believe in desire or need. Whether for painting or something else. What I am sure of is that it is by practicing that one perfects and improves.
Yes, I have also the opinion, that most important is, that you ever try to improve the quality - not everybody is a master.....
To everybody else: Many Thanks to be interested in this project, Thanks also for all your comments and Likes - much appreciated
Now I will continue with the next posts
Near the gatt, the bristles placed under the overturned coaming. It's just a presentation before going any further.
The entire interior of the bridge will be painted as in this view. We hardly notice that the leases are made of glued laminate.
A cord line extended from the stern to the bow serves to align the entire structure of the second deck.
The inner lining of the hawse holes. It's not lead, not tin: it's brass. I think you'll like it anyway.
It had been over a month since I had the pod: no desire to take care of the 118. And then, to get out of boredom, I said to myself that there was finally something to do. I have to make the cables for the anchors, prepare the low masts, do the pumps (not do pumps) and other things to finish the layout of the first bridge ... Bof, no desire!
I did that, This thing that bristles my hair because I didn't believe it. It has nothing to do with any known image, it's just inspired by the ocean. Your opinion ? Are these arabesques acceptable?
It's true that I have not done much lately, but I'm still not totally inactive.
I made all the guns of the first battery ...
... and the four anchor cables that will be posted.
Made, the coloring of all the leases of the second bridge ... ... those which were planned painted.
The new rope that allows to commit four strands at a time. I hope this stuff will save time in manufacturing.
Just to show that I'm not as lazy as you might think, after two days of circling around to remind me of what I had to do, here is a mantle of the first port lids.
Even I put two in place on the port side.
The port side lids are fitted to the ports. The third and fourth denote relative to others, I will redo them. It does not seem like it's work, I can not produce more than six a day. It remains to make the hardware and especially the incorporation of small air vents.
A view that brings out the mantles and flaws, with a grazing light.
At the bottom left, the shape accompanied by the interior linings on which the edges of the mantles are glued, as much as possible along the lines of the strakes.
Many Thanks for your interest ..... to be continued ....
To continue .... I have so much more to share with you ......
A huge dotted line highlights as soon as the manteletes ("small coats" / lids) were installed in their portholes.
However, it was on purpose that these differences in tone had been realized on the planking, but this gave a more than doubtful result and
especially far from what was hoped for.
Fourteen planks were to resume. It was before the holidays. You think I have not slept for many nights. On return then the redevelopment was started.
The eternal "sandpaper" and aluminum rods to the rhythm of the curbs.
It took me some time, some edges had to be taken twice, but I really think it was worth it.
Today the small lids are in place and I will move on to the realization of the hinges ... If I do not find anything else to do.
The fittings of the mantelets of the first battery are almost finished, almost because there remains to plant the hinge sheets in the wall. This work will be carried out after the planking of the second deck has been put in place and when the precoating is done, to avoid too much breakage on these objects.
The two photos below show the horseshoe-shaped fittings of the small ventilation openings: on the left the first juice you have already seen, on the right a finer result - without doing it on purpose - that has been systematized.
For fun, I wanted to have fun and see how it is looking when finished.The first port lid closed ...
... and then open.
to be continued ...... many thanks for your interest
A huge dotted line highlights as soon as the manteletes ("small coats" / lids) were installed in their portholes.
However, it was on purpose that these differences in tone had been realized on the planking, but this gave a more than doubtful result and
especially far from what was hoped for.
Fourteen planks were to resume. It was before the holidays. You think I have not slept for many nights. On return then the redevelopment was started.
The eternal "sandpaper" and aluminum rods to the rhythm of the curbs.
It took me some time, some edges had to be taken twice, but I really think it was worth it.
Today the small lids are in place and I will move on to the realization of the hinges ... If I do not find anything else to do.
The fittings of the mantelets of the first battery are almost finished, almost because there remains to plant the hinge sheets in the wall. This work will be carried out after the planking of the second deck has been put in place and when the precoating is done, to avoid too much breakage on these objects.
The two photos below show the horseshoe-shaped fittings of the small ventilation openings: on the left the first juice you have already seen, on the right a finer result - without doing it on purpose - that has been systematized.
For fun, I wanted to have fun and see how it is looking when finished.The first port lid closed ...
... and then open.
to be continued ...... many thanks for your interest
Love those comments to the pictures, and off cause the pictures themself.
A bit of the progress of the work:
The pumps (pieces of pumps), the six are made and painted, I hope that red ocher is the right color for these machines. Macro views make it easier to see where you will need to paint again.
On the left the stairs connecting the first bridge to the second - I say staircase because
this ladder is equipped with a handrail. There, I am quite proud of the rendering even if I had to adapt Gerard's plan.
On the right the baby put in painting. I adopted red ocher because as for the 74 I do not want any other color on the model.
It was the time of the lower masts before continuing to deal with the development of the first bridge. An important decision was made: use ramin for verticals .It will be the same for the current curling of bridge of the fellows and the poop, the hilloires and the gutters will remain in pear.
The turning of a mast. I know, it's not orthodox especially with a metal lathe.
Like Gerard (2), the barrels are in the manner of Bernard Frölich by composite elements.
On the left, the section of the foremast in five parts. On the right, that of the bowsprit in four. For the latter, the element of the bottom on the image was either too soft, or had its poorly oriented fibers because it was created a flat sanding in this place. A new bowsprit is in progress.
My crazy paw did not allow me to do many things:
- the low-masts (for these I am looking for another wood hoping to find better);
- fill the ball parks;
- manufacture the wedging wedges of the masts at the level of the first bridge.
Today the hand is released but the finger does not completely obey.
N.B .: the barrel is a Chenivesse.
At the moment I do not have much to offer, other than that:
The provisional placement of the spurs in front of the large hatch, just for the photo.
And a full basin of knees (happy to have finished with these things) that we will have to put in place after all the toutim that must adorn the first bridge is also completed.
Just a spectacular rendering of details!
Today I want to show the way of research what is possible in a actual life building log, and which explains the comments in the photos better:
and once more sorry for the bad (google) translations......
I come back to the question of the organization of anchor cables on the first deck.
I do not know how to do it: do they pass over or under the bolster? On both sides of the amounts? Do they pass right over the hatch to the between decks? How do they avoid ladders accessing the upper deck? Etc.
Below the end of the furniture of the first battery
The sheep stock, painted in red ocher, except the floor.
The weapons rack, which will not receive weapons.
Half of the carriages are in place. To finish this level I have to solve the cable problem
in between Gérard answered in this way:
For cables, they should be more or less "flat" and bumped on the bridge on each side of the uprights, freeing the ladder.
I have an idea: I am docking - or hanging - the cables under the reverse hinge,
this clears the space to the right of the hatches and ladders. I can also bring them all between the big dick and tie them to them.
The ship being in navigation, the anchors to the stays as for the 74. Is it reasonable?
Gérard:
Well it depends on how you present your ship.
Logically, the vessel being at sea, the cables are beaded, rolled up in the hold and the hatchlings closed with their knobs.
If it is likely to wet an anchor, the cables must be laid down and bumped. Even prepare a biture.
If it is wet, a ride on the bittes. See the 74.
Francis:
Well, I reread and re-read the chapter of volume IV of J.B. It is hard to be understood by a person like me.
By cons this interests me, I quote: "Another way to arrange the bitture is to suspend the portion of cable under the second bridge leases while waiting to anchor". It is not far from my proposal!
So this is it. We are going to say that the ship has left for a very small journey (Brest - Portsmouth for example CM model at 1/72 by Francis Jonet 450410), that two of the anchors are at the davit, the legs resting on the foreshore stay holders, like the other non detalingantes given the short travel time. A small bitture (because I don't have a lot of cable length available) waiting, part under the leases of the second bridge, the other in the drip tray.
By cons for indoor bumps, I can not do.
Isn't it beautiful like that? affraid
In the meantime, I'm going to take a very earthly bitture.
Francis:
I understood that for the layout of the bitture (I'm not sure of my shot), but I can't see the "plets" considering the size of the cables of the large anchors; already that these cables cannot be taken by the capstan (cf. J.B.) because of the possible radius of curvature.
Gérard:
I think the folds are made across the bridge on each side of the cleats of the bittes.
Francis:
I made my decision: no prepared bitture, the cables wisely stored on each side of the bitt, each held by a bump (if I managed to slide my fingers where it should be) or a bridle, the anchors displayed as shown on mon 74. It may not be very orthodox but it can represent a situation between the moment when the anchors were weighed down and the preparation of the bitture.
Personal Remark by Uwe:
Please do not be afraid, that I will now copy all the comments made during the building log......and Sorry to Gérard, that I used your words here.....
But I wanted to show herewith, the intense research in available documents and the specific communication with specialists like Gérard to get a technically reasonable and historical correct model..........
I think I managed the first bump of anchor cables. There I am happy!
That's it, the four bumps I wanted are in place.
Now I will be able to continue the installation of the mountings and complete the installation of the leases.
All the leases and their curves are now in place and all the carriages of 36, they are not equipped with their hoists (too much work and then we will not see them).
When I say that my fingers are too big.
and once more sorry for the bad (google) translations......
I come back to the question of the organization of anchor cables on the first deck.
I do not know how to do it: do they pass over or under the bolster? On both sides of the amounts? Do they pass right over the hatch to the between decks? How do they avoid ladders accessing the upper deck? Etc.
Below the end of the furniture of the first battery
The sheep stock, painted in red ocher, except the floor.
The weapons rack, which will not receive weapons.
Half of the carriages are in place. To finish this level I have to solve the cable problem
in between Gérard answered in this way:
For cables, they should be more or less "flat" and bumped on the bridge on each side of the uprights, freeing the ladder.
I have an idea: I am docking - or hanging - the cables under the reverse hinge,
this clears the space to the right of the hatches and ladders. I can also bring them all between the big dick and tie them to them.
The ship being in navigation, the anchors to the stays as for the 74. Is it reasonable?
Gérard:
Well it depends on how you present your ship.
Logically, the vessel being at sea, the cables are beaded, rolled up in the hold and the hatchlings closed with their knobs.
If it is likely to wet an anchor, the cables must be laid down and bumped. Even prepare a biture.
If it is wet, a ride on the bittes. See the 74.
Francis:
Well, I reread and re-read the chapter of volume IV of J.B. It is hard to be understood by a person like me.
By cons this interests me, I quote: "Another way to arrange the bitture is to suspend the portion of cable under the second bridge leases while waiting to anchor". It is not far from my proposal!
So this is it. We are going to say that the ship has left for a very small journey (Brest - Portsmouth for example CM model at 1/72 by Francis Jonet 450410), that two of the anchors are at the davit, the legs resting on the foreshore stay holders, like the other non detalingantes given the short travel time. A small bitture (because I don't have a lot of cable length available) waiting, part under the leases of the second bridge, the other in the drip tray.
By cons for indoor bumps, I can not do.
Isn't it beautiful like that? affraid
In the meantime, I'm going to take a very earthly bitture.
Francis:
I understood that for the layout of the bitture (I'm not sure of my shot), but I can't see the "plets" considering the size of the cables of the large anchors; already that these cables cannot be taken by the capstan (cf. J.B.) because of the possible radius of curvature.
Gérard:
I think the folds are made across the bridge on each side of the cleats of the bittes.
Francis:
I made my decision: no prepared bitture, the cables wisely stored on each side of the bitt, each held by a bump (if I managed to slide my fingers where it should be) or a bridle, the anchors displayed as shown on mon 74. It may not be very orthodox but it can represent a situation between the moment when the anchors were weighed down and the preparation of the bitture.
Personal Remark by Uwe:
Please do not be afraid, that I will now copy all the comments made during the building log......and Sorry to Gérard, that I used your words here.....
But I wanted to show herewith, the intense research in available documents and the specific communication with specialists like Gérard to get a technically reasonable and historical correct model..........
I think I managed the first bump of anchor cables. There I am happy!
That's it, the four bumps I wanted are in place.
Now I will be able to continue the installation of the mountings and complete the installation of the leases.
All the leases and their curves are now in place and all the carriages of 36, they are not equipped with their hoists (too much work and then we will not see them).
When I say that my fingers are too big.
Perfect scale fidelity and attention to historical accuracy,your work is sublime Francis.Every update is absolute joy.
Kind Regards
Nigel
Kind Regards
Nigel
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Je ne peux dire qu'une seule chose : je suis heureux que mon tas de bois vous plaise.
I can only say one thing: I'm glad you like my pile of wood.
I can only say one thing: I'm glad you like my pile of wood.
Your detailed description of the riding bitt and anchor cable is exactly what I was looking for. Thx.
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I am happy for you.
That's where I am, the planking of the second bridge is en route, the gutters are in place, some slats between leases follow the movement.
The second preconception is done but waiting to be profiled before receiving the mantelet of the first battery.
But the case is getting worse. Once this lining is finished it appears that for the third bridge it will be necessary to work the low masts in place, except for the sausages at the passage of each jamb, which I do not want to do.
A new idea of the progress of the book.
You understand my torment: I now have to make almost 680 taps in the coamings before I can put them in place, already that I stuffed 240 for gutters and gutters.
It's done! The gutters and eight coamings are over ... It feels good.
A friend of mine would have said "" Better than on the plan! ""
Close-up during the work on the template which served to place the central coamings. A second template was made for the placement of the other two rows of coamings.
The port lids are installed in the wall, they get up pretty easily, The concern is that the lifting ropes can follow the movement, that is to say, remain tense in both positions, I have an idea.
Test of setting up a pissotière. I have a bowl, it's up to scale!
The tap on the port side is one inch in diameter, there will be one on the starboard side as well.
It works !
Closed gates
Open lids and tense stretches.
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Ces photographies datent de février 2011.
Je termine seulement maintenant l'accastillage de la coque, dans peu de temps je passerai au gréement.
These photographs date from February 2011.
I am only now finishing the hull fittings, in a short time I will pass to the rigging.
Je termine seulement maintenant l'accastillage de la coque, dans peu de temps je passerai au gréement.
These photographs date from February 2011.
I am only now finishing the hull fittings, in a short time I will pass to the rigging.
very fine build.... tres bien fait bravo!
I love the way you build it, building the frames together with the hull. Guess this is also how the original was build.