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Corsair H.M.S. Enterprize Build Log

Corsair said:
Also, "based on" does not mean exact copy. And some builders wish their build to replicate as perfectly as possible the real ship. :)
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Yes,and that is already scratch building,the Enterprize does not have drawings with all the details at NMM ,it was used the sister ships drawings too plus other reseatch material and a museum model
 
zoly99sask said:
In my opinion and that is just my opinion if this would be a scratch buiild
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Correcting mistakes found in kit instructions and design is more like kit bashing IMHO, and some builders like to do that while others just want to build out of the box. The great thing is that we have choices. I am guessing a large percentage of builders are interested in seeing contemporary information even if it is for knowledge's sake and future builds, not for a curent build. That might make an interesting poll. :)

Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Correcting mistakes found in kit instructions and design is more like kit bashing IMHO, and some builders like to do that while others just want to build out of the box. The great thing is that we have choices. I am guessing a large percentage of builders are interested in seeing contemporary information even if it is for knowledge's sake and future builds, not for a curent build. That might make an interesting poll. :)

Allan
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Are you building the kit ?if not how do you know???
 
zoly99sask said:
Are you building the kit ?if not how do you know???
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Hi Zoly
Sorry I am not sure what you mean specifically by "how do I know?" I was referring to the practice of kit bashing in general being different than scratch building, not pinned to one specific kit. There seems to be three basic formats, kit, kit bashing, and scratch building and all of them are important to our hobby. My apologies for not being very clear. :(
Allan
 
Corsair said:
When I review that step, it appears that they maybe index the planking using the bottoms of the gun ports, but they don't all line up perfectly.
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Corsair said:
When I review that step, it appears that they maybe index the planking using the bottoms of the gun ports, but they don't all line up perfectly.
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Well, remember, once the first planks are installed being indexed on the ports then everything follows........less potential for error with, let's remember, many pre formed planks.
Instead of a considerable degree of measurement and "lining out " the entire hull, lot's of plank trimming, very nice system mostly avoiding possible pitfalls IMO.
Tim
 
Corsair said:
so, you are saying not to trim the frame diagonally until you are ready to install the port frame?
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No, not really. In my trial effort, whether you do them before or after the top sill, properly cut, ends up, pretty much the same.
Personally, I plan on doing the tops the same as the bottoms, again, since it allows more adjustment and all is hidden under planking.

Tim
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Zoly
Sorry I am not sure what you mean specifically by "how do I know?" I was referring to the practice of kit bashing in general being different than scratch building, not pinned to one specific kit. There seems to be three basic formats, kit, kit bashing, and scratch building and all of them are important to our hobby. My apologies for not being very clear. :(
Allan
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Allan,

You're absolutely correct in your information as well as the potential for "kit bashing"for what may be , not only a great exercise. If so, this kit would be a magnificent foundation. The best example of this would probably be the extensive project that has been done on the Kingfisher by Tosti, which lead to his Naiad volume.... wonderful work.
In this particular example, what you may be missing is the fact that a substantial number of planks are pre cut, requiring specific placement, and requiring the first lines to be indexed someplace....in this regard, the ports, eliminating potential errors and extensive trimming.
From a kit perspective, IMO, a pretty well thought out approach, especially since, I'd imagine, this kit is approachable to builders with wide ranging experience and skill sets.
Hopefully, this explains it better.
Tim
 
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Work continues on 9, 10 and 11. Due to the shifts of the frames, I have to do a little work and then wait for the glue to cure before I can flip it over for another part or lift it off the plans to work on the other half or a new frame. :) The drawback to using PVA glue. :) I suppose I could start standing the bevels on the frame pairs I have glued together, but I'm not in a hurry. It's not a race, it's a trip to enjoy !
 
All,
A little update, moving along nice and steady while the weather around here is still pretty lousy...horrible spring.
Want to get a little ahead, 16 frames to go, soon, spending a fair bit fly fishing Delaware river system....next month heading to Montana for our annual fly fishing, and hopefully a couple track sessions at Watkins Glen.

Another important tip for folks. As you hone in on shaping/sanding hawse pieces be aware of important item not really pointed out in instructions.
As it applies to biggest piece that attaches to bow, make sure you constantly match it up to bow and adjust width accordingly so it follows the pre-set path of the rabbit which should be already cut. I will likely be too big and has to be brought in to align with rabet allowing planking down the road without big issues.
Mine, down lower I was a bit too far away....no big deal but up top, I want those planks tight to my frames and still fit into the rabbit, It takes a fair bit of finessing.
Tim
P.S. notice the "spreader bars" I mentioned earlier, laying on keel. Very helpful in moving paired frames to even them when gluing in supports to top futtocks, allowing for sturdier hull.

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Is this part of the group build? I do not want to take it off track if this is Jeff's build log. If a group build........
TRS7139 said:
As it applies to biggest piece that attaches to bow
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Hi TRS7
Are you talking about the stem, hawse pieces, knee of the head or another piece?

Have fun fly fishing and at your track sessions at the Glen. I did a few hundred laps at Mont Tremblant in Formula Fords back in the day and still use what I learned there to this day.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Is this part of the group build? I do not want to take it off track if this is Jeff's build log. If a group build........

Hi TRS7
Are you talking about the stem, hawse pieces, knee of the head or another piece?

Have fun fly fishing and at your track sessions at the Glen. I did a few hundred laps at Mont Tremblant in Formula Fords back in the day and still use what I learned there to this day.
Allan
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Allan,
Curvature of the largest hawse piece that aligns adjacent to rabet as it fastens to stem and curves right down to the keel.
Tim
 
Tim,
I think you are speaking about the bollards which are on each side of the stem. They end about 3 1/2 feet above the boxing joint of the keel not at the keel. The drawing below is from the framing disposition for Enterprise (28) 1774.

From the original contract:
BOLLARD TIMBERS & HAWSE PIECES: To have proper Bollard Timbers for Security of the Bowspriet sided one foot & on each Side 4 hawse pieces, the foremost & aftermost sided at the upper part 14 ins each.
Hope this a help.
Allan
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AllanKP69 said:
Tim,
I think you are speaking about the bollards which are on each side of the stem. They end about 3 1/2 feet above the boxing joint of the keel not at the keel. The drawing below is from the framing disposition for Enterprise (28) 1774.

From the original contract:
BOLLARD TIMBERS & HAWSE PIECES: To have proper Bollard Timbers for Security of the Bowspriet sided one foot & on each Side 4 hawse pieces, the foremost & aftermost sided at the upper part 14 ins each.
Hope this a help.
Allan
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Yes, my mistake.
 
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