"Flying Cloud " by Mamoli - kit bash

Thanks, Rob. Although my collaboration with Rich is serendipitous, my model is the better for it. Such a collaboration right out of the box (so to speak) will, no doubt, have spectacular results and I hope to follow the progress on this forum. I'm not on Model Ship World. I spend too much time on this forum already.
Thanks for the compliment!

Pete
 
Peter Gutterman said:
Thanks, Rob. Although my collaboration with Rich is serendipitous, my model is the better for it. Such a collaboration right out of the box (so to speak) will, no doubt, have spectacular results and I hope to follow the progress on this forum. I'm not on Model Ship World. I spend too much time on this forum already.
Thanks for the compliment!

Pete
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I know how that works. I'm active on plenty of sites myself. I appreciate how you are willing to readdress some aspects of your model, in hopes of making her better than the manufacture had provided. Your construction is moving along nicely...and to be honest, I'm glad there are more clipper enthusiasts on these pages.

I'll be watching and contributing if permissible.

Rob
 
Online at SOBCO server. Or Flying Cloud plans by Scott Bradner.
rwiederrich said:
I know how that works. I'm active on plenty of sites myself. I appreciate how you are willing to readdress some aspects of your model, in hopes of making her better than the manufacture had provided. Your construction is moving along nicely...and to be honest, I'm glad there are more clipper enthusiasts on these pages.

I'll be watching and contributing if permissible.

Rob
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Please do. Much appreciated.
 
rwiederrich said:
I found them.......

Rob
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IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO FIND RELATIVELY GOOD DRAWINGS AFTER THE FACT.......:confused:

I have this methodology about my selection of models to build. First...I like tackling models that have never or rarely been built. I prefer to build vessels that have a distinct historical significance. Lastly...since building models of any particular vessel is solely a personal decision, I have chosen my primary choices to be McKay's First entry into the Frey of Fast clippers (Staghound). His last, which he had hoped would save his career (Glory of the Seas)(Finished)...and the Largest clipper ever made(That he built on his own accord), (Great Republic)(Finished). Personally, I feel these three, round out the unique qualities McKay was aiming for in the clipper Model of vessels. He was always trying to improve the model.

Note to reader: As is in all things......your mileage may very.

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO FIND RELATIVELY GOOD DRAWINGS AFTER THE FACT.......:confused:

I have this methodology about my selection of models to build. First...I like tackling models that have never or rarely been built. I prefer to build vessels that have a distinct historical significance. Lastly...since building models of any particular vessel is solely a personal decision, I have chosen my primary choices to be McKay's First entry into the Frey of Fast clippers (Staghound). His last, which he had hoped would save his career (Glory of the Seas)(Finished)...and the Largest clipper ever made(That he built on his own accord), (Great Republic)(Finished). Personally, I feel these three, round out the unique qualities McKay was aiming for in the clipper Model of vessels. He was always trying to improve the model.

Note to reader: As is in all things......your mileage may very.

Rob
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That is a nice summation of that particular history.

Bill
 
A few pics of recent beginnings of alterations and replacing the broken jibboom. This time out of boxwood (less fragile). Dry fitted in place with a little shim to raise it in relation to the splash rail which will get a little addition above the molding to facilitate fairleads for the mooring hawse cables and raise it slightly above the addition of a pin rail at the bow. The fore castle deck stripped of its iron bollards and chocks. The coach house stripped of its doors in preparation of fabricating a facade more in line with Rich's drawing. 20240715_134133.jpg20240715_134008.jpg20240715_134105.jpg20240715_160913.jpg20240715_160958.jpgRe-painting of the outside of the upper bulwark and outer splash rail surface has begun.
Adding to the spray rail will raise it above the jibboom a little more than I'd like but the shim between the jibboom and bowsprit will split the difference and will bring the overall proportions closer in focus with the desired overall effect. (He said,.. confidently.:rolleyes:)
 
Another possibility is to cut the fairleads into the splash rail as is and simply add the pin rail level with its top edge. A little compromise with literal correctness will have to suffice either way. I'll go with what seems most pleasing to the eye. Thoughts? (Outside of major surgery.):cool:
 
rwiederrich said:
IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO FIND RELATIVELY GOOD DRAWINGS AFTER THE FACT.......:confused:

I have this methodology about my selection of models to build. First...I like tackling models that have never or rarely been built. I prefer to build vessels that have a distinct historical significance. Lastly...since building models of any particular vessel is solely a personal decision, I have chosen my primary choices to be McKay's First entry into the Frey of Fast clippers (Staghound). His last, which he had hoped would save his career (Glory of the Seas)(Finished)...and the Largest clipper ever made(That he built on his own accord), (Great Republic)(Finished). Personally, I feel these three, round out the unique qualities McKay was aiming for in the clipper Model of vessels. He was always trying to improve the model.

Note to reader: As is in all things......your mileage may very.

Rob
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My choice of the " Flying Cloud" lies deeply rooted in the mists of a romantic notion of that ship formed somewhere in early childhood. The 82 day record had that suggestion of a cinematic adventure, in Cinemascope, Technicolor, 3hrs. with a 15-minute intermission, and a lush, romantic, full orchestral soundtrack. Maybe with Gregory Peck as the captain, Maureen O'Hara as the real hero, his wife.
 
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Hi Peter,
I spent a good part of the day rereading through your remarkable thread. You get a completely different perspective when reading through the thread in its entirety. I found it enjoyable and very informative to read how you tackled hurdles along the way. One thing I needed to understand was the concept of a naval hood. This was a term that was completely foreign to me. Reading the discussions between you, Rob, Bill and ClipperFan helped me get gain an understanding of this term. Although not too clear. Keep up the great work.

Bill
 
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Hi Peter,
I spent a good part of the day rereading through your remarkable thread. You get a completely different perspective when reading through the thread in its entirety. I found it enjoyable and very informative to read how you tackled hurdles along the way. One thing I needed to understand was the concept of a naval hood. This was a term that was completely foreign to me. Reading the discussions between you, Rob, Bill and ClipperFan helped me get gain an understanding of this term. Although not too clear. Keep up the great work.

Bill
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Heavens, Bill, biggest of affirmation and appreciation I've had in a long time. Thumbsup Thanks for your interest and sharing it. Yeah, getting this far with this beast has been challenging to say the least. I don't think I've had this many starts, stops, detours, do-overs, ad nauseum, with any other project I've undertaken.:rolleyes:

As you get into the nineteenth century, 1840s-50s, you begin to see the beakhead area of naval vessels being covered by a curved panel or "hood" whereas prior to that time that area was left uncovered with the framework exposed. I can only surmise the reasoning. In the case of Donald McKay's clippers there is evidence of the "hood" adding sufficient structural strength and protection to the ship's stem, a particularly vulnerable weak point in the structure of wooden sailing ships. One of McKay's clippers with the hood only received minor damage to the stem area after a collision with a steam ship, as mentioned in one of ClipperFan's posts. You can see this structure on old early photos of naval ships in the third-fourth quarters of the 19thc. Including the Constitution and even an old photo of the Victory from around that period.
Thanks for your interest and encouragement,:D

Pete
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Sounds like Horacio Hornblower .

Yeah…..after you read that book I suggested, your connection will be deeper.
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I'll see if I can find a copy on Amazon.
 
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These are books for children: Dare the Wind: The Record-Breaking Voyage of Eleanor Prentiss and the Flying Cloud By Tracey Fern, Illustrated by Armstrong Sperry
A Romance of the Flying Cloud by Arnold McCully
I've seen the "Captain Horatio Hornblower" movie with Gregory Peck many times, including when it was new in the movie theater with my brother and parents.
It made a lasting impression. :D
Tempus fugit!
 
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Peter Gutterman said:
Another possibility is to cut the fairleads into the splash rail as is and simply add the pin rail level with its top edge. A little compromise with literal correctness will have to suffice either way. I'll go with what seems most pleasing to the eye. Thoughts? (Outside of major surgery.):cool:
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Peter,
Rob and I determined that the splash or sprayrail is just 18" high, including top molding (3/16ths" at 1:96th scale, which is what I believe Mamoli is scaled at) on Glory of the Seas it runs from just before the foremast to the bow. Three fairlead cut-outs were provided, two before the catheads and one just before the end of the forecastle deck. From the Bow picture, it looks like a 6" (1/16th") shelf runs completely around the interior of the splash shield wall, ending in a graceful curve at the bow, about 3-4' before it. How much you want to modify your ship to represent these facts is entirely up to your tastes. I applaud your decision to repaint Flying Cloud hull all black. She's looking more authentic already. One other item of note. It appears that both her Bowsprit and inner Jibboom were painted black, beyond the cap, the outer Jibboom was left natural wood.

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