Grants Xebec 1:60 (using Jabeque Cazador Occre1:60 kit) [COMPLETED BUILD]

Daniel20 said:
WOW!! Hi Grant, don't know how I missed the beginning of this really interesting build of yours. The deck of your Xebec looks big enough for me to bring my chez lounge out and unfold it on this beautiful expanse of wood. I am really impressed at your modifications to the stern portion of your hull. Lime wood and Obeeche make great woods for the first layer of a double planked hull, but I think hard woods make for better finish veneers. With your permission I believe I will watch this build to its completion.
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Good morning Daniel. So good to have you on board. Your comments and help are always appreciated. You have just given me a wonderful idea. Maybe two benches on my upper deck for the crew will be a cool addition.:DThumbsup, won’t be a chez lounge thoROTF. I do agree with you. Lime is so fantastic for the first planking but for nothing else. Cheers Grant
 
Dean62 said:
Good job Grant! The planking is so much easier with a square stern tuck, and no bluff bow! ;)
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Good morning Dean. Like sooooooooooo much easier ROTF. No plank bending, no bevels, etc. The Victory took me a few months while I have done this in a weekRedface. The second layer will take a lot longer tho as this will be way more detailed and each plank will have to be perfect….well Grants perfect;). Cheers Grant
 
Good morning. I am completely stoked with the structural changes I have made. It’s exactly what I wanted:
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Now it is time to go SLOW. Plenty of sanding - happens when you just go for it ROTF , however it’s going to come out awesome. Excited!

It is also time to research. No more Grants imagination, I need to find out more.

Cheers Grant
 
Wow dear Grant
I missed your impressive progress in decking and planking, it looks very nice, I love the brown color you chose. Well done Thumbsup:)Okay
 
Man oh man, that looks GOOD! The deck, the brown inner bulwarks and the overall lines - she is going to be a beauty!
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning. I am completely stoked with the structural changes I have made. It’s exactly what I wanted:
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Now it is time to go SLOW. Plenty of sanding - happens when you just go for it ROTF , however it’s going to come out awesome. Excited!

It is also time to research. No more Grants imagination, I need to find out more.

Cheers Grant
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This is looking very nice, with this personal added flowing lines, Grant.
Regards, Peter
 
Good morning

I want to include a Rabbet line in the false keel of my Xebec. I just like the way the planks especially by the stern and bow finish off.

Rabbets - some diagrams:

Keel and Rabbet on a clipper (most similar example of hull shape to a Xebec I can find)
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And @Uwek posted this on a discussion of Rabbets
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These are pretty self explanatory.

Having thought about this only after my first planking layer and this layer being 2mm thick I can see some challenges.

Ahhh sooooo much sanding to do so I have time to make a plan.
Cheers Grant
 
I have a plan for a Rabbet line.

Chuck’s method :

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My false keel, stem and stern post , etc. are 4mm thick. I line the keel with a strip of the 2nd layer plank 3mm think and centered on the keel, leaving a groove on each side of the false keel in a perfect shape. A RABBET- well not historically accurate per pics in prior post but will work.

This way I don’t need to try and cut a/bevel a rabbet into my stem and false keel which will be way too thick with the 2mm first planking.

I will however need to bevel the current planks at the keel and stem to carry the flow and shape of the hull. I also have a feeling I may have to take off a lot of the 2mm width at this point as well.

It is an option at this point.
Cheers Grant
 
Beautiful hull lines on your Xebec, Grant. That part of your mission can be declared successful.
Despite all your explanations on the rebate, I have this nagging feeling this rebate issue should have been dealt with prior to plankig the first layer, especially since you mentioned possible rework on the first planks you installed. I have full confidence in your capabilities that you'll come up with a smart and well executed solution.
 
RDN1954 said:
Beautiful hull lines on your Xebec, Grant. That part of your mission can be declared successful.
Despite all your explanations on the rebate, I have this nagging feeling this rebate issue should have been dealt with prior to plankig the first layer, especially since you mentioned possible rework on the first planks you installed. I have full confidence in your capabilities that you'll come up with a smart and well executed solution.
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Good morning Johan. Thanks. I am very chuffed with the "shape of her" to quote Ed Sherans song.

Re the Rabbet. you are 100%. However Grant being Grant, I am going to give it a go. I may have to sand the 1st layer almost down to the bulkheads especially at the keel stern and stem and then do plenty of general sanding to keep her shape. Hmmm worth a go I think ???..... What's the worst that can happen.... ROTF. Don't answer that.;).
Cheers Grant
 
GrantTyler said:
I have a plan for a Rabbet line.

Chuck’s method :

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My false keel, stem and stern post , etc. are 4mm thick. I line the keel with a strip of the 2nd layer plank 3mm think and centered on the keel, leaving a groove on each side of the false keel in a perfect shape. A RABBET- well not historically accurate per pics in prior post but will work.

This way I don’t need to try and cut a/bevel a rabbet into my stem and false keel which will be way too thick with the 2mm first planking.

I will however need to bevel the current planks at the keel and stem to carry the flow and shape of the hull. I also have a feeling I may have to take off a lot of the 2mm width at this point as well.

It is an option at this point.
Cheers Grant
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GrantTyler said:
Good morning Johan. Thanks. I am very chuffed with the "shape of her" to quote Ed Sherans song.

Re the Rabbet. you are 100%. However Grant being Grant, I am going to give it a go. I may have to sand the 1st layer almost down to the bulkheads especially at the keel stern and stem and then do plenty of general sanding to keep her shape. Hmmm worth a go I think ???..... What's the worst that can happen.... ROTF. Don't answer that.;).
Cheers Grant
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I do like this approach. :) My BN rabbet was also different. ;) Just think about it twice, reason and have faith in your own solution.
Regard, Peter
 
GrantTyler said:
What's the worst that can happen.... ROTF. Don't answer that.;)
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Tempting, very tempting to do so regardless...
GrantTyler said:
However Grant being Grant, I am going to give it a go.
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You must have Dutch origins...
GrantTyler said:
I may have to sand the 1st layer almost down to the bulkheads especially at the keel stern and stem and then do plenty of general sanding to keep her shape.
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This is where I think the "flaw" is in your plans. Much sanding required, risking sanding through the planks with subsequent filler application, plus more sanding, I don't like that one bit. The less sanding required the better, based on personal experience with my Bluenose build.
 
Hi Grant, in my simple mind laying in a rabbit is not the hard part, laying it in at the correct angle is the challenge not to mention keeping it relatively straight well curved at the stern and bow. Like you I have the same challenge and I am going to have to rely on sanding to correct up my inaccuracies of which there are bound to a few.
 
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