HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

GrantTyler said:
Good morning Heinrich. I love the oak. I sometimes find that some wood,as beautiful as it is ,(pear and boxwood- walnut to a degree) make the ship look like a model. (Paradox I know)- I think you know what I mean.Your oak is unique and brilliant. I’m exited to see what she looks like once the hull planking is complete. I’m with Daniel re the contrast with walnut (if you are going to use some). Cheers Grant

Grant, thank you so much for this message. You are spot on, and I understand and agree fully what you say. We strive to achieve the finest and most polished finishes on our models while in fact, real ships were nothing like this. I am building this model for two reasons: one is to address certain issues that I have discovered during my research and the second is to try and get a model which look closer a miniature ship and less than a model. By the way, this is something I think @DARIVS ARCHITECTVS Kurt is achieving with his bashed SOTS build.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

Frank48 said:
Heinrich, see mail

Thank you Frank!

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

Dear Friends and friend @rtibbs

Why do I single out Ron? He has to supply me with Do-Over Coins.

I placed the real keel into position and while it fits beautifully, I have clearly messed up with the gunports - @RDN1954 Joahn, you were right all along!

When I measured out the gunports, I should of course have used the line as indicated by the black arrow and the black line below, but I must have gotten confused by the grain in the plank indicated by the red arrow and the red line. Bear in mind that is one strake that contains both black and red lines. Be that as it may - Oak wood: 1, Heinrich: 0.

And of course, you know there is only one solution that would satisfy me.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

And once that decision has been made, I don't hang around pondering ...

Stripped! Note the wet wood from hot water applied to loosen the PVA.

RDN1954 · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
And once that decision has been made, I don't hang around pondering ...

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Stripped! Note the wet wood from hot water applied to loosen the PVA.

Wishing I wasn't right...

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

RDN1954 said:
Wishing I wasn't right...

So do I Johan, so do I. Anyway, I stripped off half the planking on WB #1 and look how nice she has turend out, so it seems like I have to have brainfade at least once in a build. Let's hope this is the only one - then I will gladly take it.

Peter Voogt · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
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All went well however, and this then is the effect which I wanted to achieve by planking behind bulkhead #11 (the transom). With more light the wood paneling is clearly visible, and I just think that it gives a far neater, more finished effect than simply painting it black.

RDN1954 said:
It could very well be my eyes deceiving me or the angle your camera made when you took this picture, but to me it looks like the gunports are not symmetrical.
Again, impressive build, Heinrich!
Nice tip , Heinrich!

RDN1954 said:
I know that sinking feeling only too well. Fortunately this was a "storm in een glas water".
I think it was Peter (@Peter Voogt ) who explained lens distortion, but whenever I see something like this in a picture, it makes me scramble for a ruler,..

Heinrich said:
And of course, you know there is only one solution that would satisfy me.

Hi Heinrich. I hadn't been in for a while. Get low email alerts!?!
I am so sorry for you that this happend with your build. But glad that fellow builders have the courage to notice point.

When I came across those 1st two posts, I thought of 2 optical illusions, which I hoped were the cause.
I want to share them anyway, because the method of planks and the wood grain of the oak shown, can play tricks:
For the upper part of the transom:

The two big lines run parallel and are compleet right next to each other.

And also: (For the lower part, turn it 90 mgr counter clockwise):

It is a perfect rectangle. (For the best view, I rotated it 90dgr).
For both: scroll a line to the top or bottom of your screen to check.

So, respect for your decision, but necessary for this build.
Check, check and double check........ we know all ....... but don't let your eyes confuse you.
Regards, Peter

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

Peter Voogt said:
Hi Heinrich. I hadn't been in for a while. Get low email alerts!?!
I am so sorry for you that this happend with your build. But glad that fellow builders have the courage to notice point.

When I came across those 1st two posts, I thought of 2 optical illusions, which I hoped were the cause.
I want to share them anyway, because the method of planks and the wood grain of the oak shown, can play tricks:
For the upper part of the transom:
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The two big lines run parallel and are compleet right next to each other.

For the lower part:
View attachment 316290
It is a perfect rectangle. (For the best view, I rotated it 90dgr).
For both: scroll a line to the top of your screen to check.

So, respect for your decision, but necessary for this build.
Check, check and double check........ we know all ....... but don't let your eyes confuse you.
Regards, Peter

Thank you so much for sharing this, Peter. I understand now why it happened, but that is of course no excuse for carelessness. As you say check, check and double check ...

The biggest frustration is that the transom is not a part that I can make from scratch - this is something that I need to order from Hans, and we know by now, it is another month's wait - just when I have the summer break and was hoping to do lots of work. Unfortunately, I can't go much further without the transom.

Peter Voogt · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
Thank you so much for sharing this, Peter. I understand now why it happened, but that is of course no excuse for carelessness. As you say check, check and double check ...

The biggest frustration is that the transom is not a part that I can make from scratch - this is something that I need to order from Hans, and we know by now, it is another month's wait - just when I have the summer break and was hoping to do lots of work. Unfortunately, I can't go much further without the transom.

I hope the hot water has done its work on the PVA on the transom?

rtibbs · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
Dear Friends and friend @rtibbs

Why do I single out Ron? He has to supply me with Do-Over Coins. I placed the real keel into position and while it fits beautifully, I have clearly messed up with the gunports - @RDN1954 Joahn, you were right all along!

View attachment 316270
When I measured out the gunports, I should of course have used the line as indicated by the black arrow and the black line below, but I must have gotten confused by the grain in the plank indicated by the red arrow and the red line. Bear in mind that is one strake that contains both black and red lines. Be that as it may - Oak wood: 1, Heinrich: 0.

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And of course, you know there is only one solution that would satisfy me.

Well, since you called me out as keeper of the coins I thought you should see the reverse side of the SOS Do-Over coin.
Hopefully this will be taken in jest.

(I need to have the mint produce more as I seem to be collecting them myself on my current build)

pingu57 · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
The biggest frustration is that the transom is not a part that I can make from scratch - this is something that I need to order from Hans, and we know by now, it is another month's wait - just when I have the summer break and was hoping to do lots of work. Unfortunately, I can't go much further without the transom.

Heinrich my friend, why wait for a new transom?? you take of the oak planking, the red planks out of the porthole, and you take some leftover wood, and put this in your old porthole.
After that you can make new portholes in your transom. After making the new holes, place the oak strips back on the transom.
And then you see no difference, then it looks excellent.
At least you can try it, It is a bit more work, but you don't have to wait for a shipment of the Neterlands.

Goodluck

Pathfinder65 · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich, it looks like a disaster, but wood is wood. I agree with Peter, strip the walnut and fill in the holes and redo that part of the build. The fix will only be visible from the inside.

dockattner · Jun 30, 2022

I feel your pain Heinrich. I know you wanted this build to be perfect and the thought of patching this piece bumps up against your vision. But I do agree with our colleagues - I think a repair is possible.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

Peter Voogt said:
I hope the hot water has done its work on the PVA on the transom?

Oh yes Peter. The transom and keel have come beautifully with no damage at all. All has already been cleaned up too. Thumbsup

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

rtibbs said:
Well, since you called me out as keeper of the coins I thought you should see the reverse side of the SOS Do-Over coin.
Hopefully this will be taken in jest.

(I need to have the mint produce more as I seem to be collecting them myself on my current build)
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No problem, Ron. Just make sure the head is deep enough so that the identity remains anonymous. ROTF

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

pingu57 said:
Heinrich my friend, why wait for a new transom?? you take of the oak planking, the red planks out of the porthole, and you take some leftover wood, and put this in your old porthole.
After that you can make new portholes in your transom. After making the new holes, place the oak strips back on the transom.
And then you see no difference, then it looks excellent.
At least you can try it, It is a bit more work, but you don't have to wait for a shipment of the Neterlands.

Goodluck

My friend, you know me so well. I was thinking of giving that a try tomorrow - the extra work doesn't bother me in the least. The challenge though is going to be to plank up against that rounded section - unless I take off all planking.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

Pathfinder65 said:
Heinrich, it looks like a disaster, but wood is wood. I agree with Peter, strip the walnut and fill in the holes and redo that part of the build. The fix will only be visible from the inside.

Thank you, Jan. Like I said to Peter, it is certainly worth a try. The issue is, however, compounded by the new planking that has to fit in perfectly into the curve indicated by the yellow line - unless I rip off all the planking. Then it becomes a touch-and-go situation as to whether I have enough 1mm x 4mm strips left to replank the whole transom.

pingu57 · Jun 30, 2022

Heinrich said:
The challenge though is going to be to plank up against that rounded section - unless I take off all planking.

Well, you can always give it a go Heinrich, if you cut your planks carefull enough, it has to be possible, little gaps can always be filled with your shellack and some sawdust, and if this fails, then it is time to order some extra wood.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

dockattner said:
I feel your pain Heinrich. I know you wanted this build to be perfect and the thought of patching this piece bumps up against your vision. But I do agree with our colleagues - I think a repair is possible.

Paul, you know me just as well. Your observation about this build being the perfect one and thinking of the transom as "patched", are exactly the thoughts that went through my mind. Chasing perfection is not always a blessing - but then you know all about that.

Heinrich · Jun 30, 2022

pingu57 said:
Well, you can always give it a go Heinrich, if you cut your planks carefull enough, it has to be possible, little gaps can always be filled with your shellack and some sawdust, and if this fails, then it is time to order some extra wood.

My friend, tomorrow is transom day. I will give it my best shot!