A neat response, Hans.
Roger, you make me laugh!I seem to remember some posts back you were not really looking forward to the rigging. I see some very impressive work and the usual very interesting diagrams and explanations.
My wife just asked me what I was reading, I responded “about crows’ feet”. She stared at me and muttered indignantly something about “those lines around my eyes are laughter lines not crow’s feet”. I put my head down and kept reading your posts.
It is amazing how the most innocent of comments can get you into trouble sometimes. Tell your wife that I will refer from now on to "Laughter lines" instead of crows' feet. In any case, the English "crows' feet" is not what the original Dutch says. In Dutch it is "hanepoten", which would translate into cocks' feet !!!
sorry to those that like this. yuck!
), read your comments and instantly you have made my day! Thank you for that! 
Just a small comment about coffee. The best coffee I ever had was DE coffee straight from the Netherlands. Hard to come by in Canada, if not impossible.@Kolderstok
@Peter Voogt
@RDN1954
Gentlemen .... gentlemen ... I woke up this morning, made my cup of Nescafe (for all the sensitive readers out there, I won't say coffee
The crows' feet or, according to @RogerD Roger's wife "laughter lines", can be viewed from either a functional point of view or an aesthetic one - these were the two main aspects you have commented on. Unfortunately, the one negates the other. Let's first consider the function of the crows' feet::
Ab writes:
"One thing that is clear is that around the 1600's, men had a disposition for the use of crows' feet - a method whereby the pressure of the rigging is divided EQUALLY by attaching the crows' feet to a spar (rondhout - in this case, the bowsprit) or another line. This created a "flexible" form of standing rigging which could DIVIDE the pressure/power exerted by the rigging without breaking.
Therefore, the crows' feet could not be rigged from one side only - you had to reach a conclusion whereby you could divide the lines as equally as possible between BOTH sides of the "scheerstrook". Thus, pay no attention to the number of loops - pay attention to how many lines are on the left and how many lines are on the right of the scheerstrook. That is the acid test. If any other build shows an equal number of loops or more balanced number of loops, it means that the number of lines on either side of the scheerstrook is NOT equal.
As to the number of lines:
1. As you could see, @Kolderstok shows 8 AND 9! Only one can be correct or make sense - I trusted the dedicated rigging instruction manual that Hans supplied with the kit which also featured an actual description of how the crows' feet were rigged.
2. Hoving shows 9 lines.
3. De Weerdt shows 7 lines.
In summary, like everything else in this build, I have chosen function over form and chose to use 9 lines. This has resulted me in having five lines that are on the left-hand side of the scheerstrook and four on the right.
BUT HERE COMES THE MAJOR CAVEAT! Personally, I do not think the Willem Barentsz had any hanepoten/crows' feet.
I believe THIS was the correct layout as is indicated on Plate 8 of Gerrit De Veer's journal.
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You are so right, Jack! Douwe Egberts and Jacobs Kronung are my two favorites (I found the much-acclaimed Davidoff range of coffees somewhat bland for my taste), but they are very difficult to find in China and very expensive.
Expensive is right. I unfortunately have to resort to generic Keurig pots with coffee that tastes like hot water
No, not at all, Jack.
Good morning Heinrich. I have been waiting for this. Heinrich’s research into rigging. A great post and I await much discussion. I often think there is more topic discussion on rigging of ships as to the hull structure. It becomes super interesting for sure.@Kolderstok
@Peter Voogt
@RDN1954
Gentlemen .... gentlemen ... I woke up this morning, made my cup of Nescafe (for all the sensitive readers out there, I won't say coffee
The crows' feet or, according to @RogerD Roger's wife "laughter lines", can be viewed from either a functional point of view or an aesthetic one - these were the two main aspects you have commented on. Unfortunately, the one negates the other. Let's first consider the function of the crows' feet::
Ab writes:
"One thing that is clear is that around the 1600's, men had a disposition for the use of crows' feet - a method whereby the pressure of the rigging is divided EQUALLY by attaching the crows' feet to a spar (rondhout - in this case, the bowsprit) or another line. This created a "flexible" form of standing rigging which could DIVIDE the pressure/power exerted by the rigging without breaking.
Therefore, the crows' feet could not be rigged from one side only - you had to reach a conclusion whereby you could divide the lines as equally as possible between BOTH sides of the "scheerstrook". Thus, pay no attention to the number of loops - pay attention to how many lines are on the left and how many lines are on the right of the scheerstrook. That is the acid test. If any other build shows an equal number of loops or more balanced number of loops, it means that the number of lines on either side of the scheerstrook is NOT equal.
As to the number of lines:
1. As you could see, @Kolderstok shows 8 AND 9! Only one can be correct or make sense - I trusted the dedicated rigging instruction manual that Hans supplied with the kit which also featured an actual description of how the crows' feet were rigged.
2. Hoving shows 9 lines.
3. De Weerdt shows 7 lines.
In summary, like everything else in this build, I have chosen function over form and chose to use 9 lines. This has resulted me in having five lines that are on the left-hand side of the scheerstrook and four on the right.
BUT HERE COMES THE MAJOR CAVEAT! Personally, I do not think the Willem Barentsz had any hanepoten/crows' feet.
I believe THIS was the correct layout as is indicated on Plate 8 of Gerrit De Veer's journal. Also note how the two lines running to the bowsprit is EQUALLY divided between one on the left and one one the right.
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I await the game changer with bated breath…
Hello my friend. I don't know Truth coffee at all. If things remain the way they are now with China's "Open Policy", I might make a trip to South Africa in June/July. I will let you know in advance so that you can get the coffee ready.Good morning Heinrich. I have been waiting for this. Heinrich’s research into rigging. A great post and I await much discussion. I often think there is more topic discussion on rigging of ships as to the hull structure. It becomes super interesting for sure.
I await the game changer with bated breath…
As for coffee- I use a blend made here in CTn from Truth coffee. I don’t know if you have been there Heinrich, an interesting and unique coffee house in Buitenkant street. Great place.
Cheers Grant
Good morning Heinrich. A trip to SA…well in one way that will be awesome. We will most certainly get in touch and a braai at my place is definite and I will certainly take you for some coffee and breakfast at truth.
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Thank you Grant for the offer - I look forward to that in advance.Good morning Heinrich. A trip to SA…well in one way that will be awesome. We will most certainly get in touch and a braai at my place is definite and I will certainly take you for some coffee and breakfast at truth.
Your golden nugget- you show more restraint than I would- I would have picked it up, bitten it and if gold sold it….
Cheers Grant
vedi pmGrazie Grant per l'offerta - non vedo l'ora in anticipo.
Devo prestare attenzione quando si tratta della pepita: ci sono state molte false piste lungo il percorso WB. Vediamo cosa riesco a scoprire e una volta che avrò le informazioni, sapremo con certezza se è una strada da seguire o meno.
No backstays, correct?
. After rigging the Vasa my brain will never be the same Ha! I'm looking forward to your ratline endeavor and am excited for you on your potential visit back to your home country. By the way I am always in search of the perfect cup of coffee, it's very elusive.
Hi Jack, there are backstays in the case of the foremast and main mast.
