HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

I was asking about the wall with the doors. The Dutch like their clinkered planking on bulkheads so that is what I expected Heinrich to say. Every day I learn something on this site though - interior panels are laid flat...makes sense.
I tell you, Paul, the learning curve just keeps getting steeper and steeper the more you dig. The clinkered planking is a trademark on Dutch ships, but look here:

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The midships canopy / overkapping on the Willem Barentsz is planked vertically and without any clinker-effect AND it is an outside wall. Gerald de Weerdt's version confuses the whole issue even more by not having a wall here at all! :eek: How do we win?
 
Hello Dear Friends.

Let me continue with the captain's cabin and attempt to place it in context for you. I finished its construction and just clamped it temporarily to the ship to show you, its position.

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Yep - you have to look far ahead into the past to spot the captain cabin's front wall. ROTF

Let's look a bit closer.

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The front wall is clamped to the FRONT of Bulkhead #10. This is INCORRECT! It has to go behind Bulkhead #10 so that the mizzen mast is in front of the wall. The clearly marked "M" shows the position for the mizzen mast. As it sits now, the wall is clamped directly over and above that hole. I'm just doing it this way so that you can see what it looks like. It is now perfectly cut to size but moving it further back will mean that it will become oversized - exactly what I wanted as I can then trim it down for a perfect fit between the bulwarks.

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Very simple and basic hinges and doorknobs have been added in the meantime. Please note that the edges have not been sanded - that will only be done once the final fitment (which is still a l-o-n-g way off), takes place.

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On the much bigger model of Koos Weestra, he obviously had the luxury of adding more details - something that a bigger scale invariably offers.

I will now try to explain as best as I can how the layout between the two ships will differ:

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This shows how WB #1 was built. The solid red section represents the closed front wall of the midships canopy with the two doors (as it is on my model). The green shows the open grating and solid deck (small yellow section) which then steps up to the next deck which becomes level 2. Then there is another step to level 3 which explains why viewed from the side, my model shows three steps.

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This shows Build #2. The open red section indicates a completely open or partially covered front "wall", the much longer section which will be grated (green), the jump to the captain's cabin in blue and finally the top deck (yellow) - thus two levels only.

I do hope that this makes sense - my illustrations are terrible, I know - but hopefully they will give you some idea of what I am trying to achieve here.
 
Hmm, at first a confusing packet of information but after subsequent reads I think I have figured out what you are doing. Exciting to see this variation come together.
 
Hmm, at first a confusing packet of information but after subsequent reads I think I have figured out what you are doing. Exciting to see this variation come together.
Jan, I don't blame you - I know it is very confusing. It took many, many hours of studying the plans and reading up on the two versions to figure this out. Once you have built your ship and seen how the levels pan out, you will have a much better understanding.
 
Hello Dear Friends.

Let me continue with the captain's cabin and attempt to place it in context for you. I finished its construction and just clamped it temporarily to the ship to show you, its position.

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Yep - you have to look far ahead into the past to spot the captain cabin's front wall. ROTF

Let's look a bit closer.

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The front wall is clamped to the FRONT of Bulkhead #10. This is INCORRECT! It has to go behind Bulkhead #10 so that the mizzen mast is in front of the wall. The clearly marked "M" shows the position for the mizzen mast. As it sits now, the wall is clamped directly over and above that hole. I'm just doing it this way so that you can see what it looks like. It is now perfectly cut to size but moving it further back will mean that it will become oversized - exactly what I wanted as I can then trim it down for a perfect fit between the bulwarks.

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Very simple and basic hinges and doorknobs have been added in the meantime. Please note that the edges have not been sanded - that will only be done once the final fitment (which is still a l-o-n-g way off), takes place.

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On the much bigger model of Koos Weestra, he obviously had the luxury of adding more details - something that a bigger scale invariably offers.

I will now try to explain as best as I can how the layout between the two ships will differ:

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This shows how WB #1 was built. The solid red section represents the closed front wall of the midships canopy with the two doors (as it is on my model). The green shows the open grating and solid deck (small yellow section) which then steps up to the next deck which becomes level 2. Then there is another step to level 3 which explains why viewed from the side, my model shows three steps.

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This shows Build #2. The open red section indicates a completely open or partially covered front "wall", the much longer section which will be grated (green), the jump to the captain's cabin in blue and finally the top deck (yellow) - thus two levels only.

I do hope that this makes sense - my illustrations are terrible, I know - but hopefully they will give you some idea of what I am trying to achieve here.
Jan, I don't blame you - I know it is very confusing. It took many, many hours of studying the plans and reading up on the two versions to figure this out. Once you have built your ship and seen how the levels pan out, you will have a much better understanding.
Heinrich, good afternoon.
Maybe I misunderstood something, this bulkhead with doors should stand as you have just shown. Where the letter "M" is indicated there will be more deck boards, right? After laying the deck boards, would the door be able to open, theoretically?
 
Heinrich, good afternoon.
Maybe I misunderstood something, this bulkhead with doors should stand as you have just shown. Where the letter "M" is indicated there will be more deck boards, right? After laying the deck boards, would the door be able to open, theoretically?
Hi Sasha. Thank you for the question. No, that is not the correct position at all. There will be another deck board where the "M" is (the M is for mizzen mast) and the bulkhead will be moved back towards the stern. I just placed it there to show how it looks - otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it behind the bulkhead with the M in it. :)
 
I tell you, Paul, the learning curve just keeps getting steeper and steeper the more you dig. The clinkered planking is a trademark on Dutch ships, but look here:

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The midships canopy / overkapping on the Willem Barentsz is planked vertically and without any clinker-effect AND it is an outside wall. Gerald de Weerdt's version confuses the whole issue even more by not having a wall here at all! :eek: How do we win?
Toss a coin Heinrich ;)
 
Hi Grant. Nope, not in this case. I have one of the best researched ships in the modeling world (I know, because I did the research ROTF) and I know exactly what option to follow. My point was rather aimed at the casual modeler who buys a kit and then gets confused by the amounts of information (contrasting more often than not) that is available in books and from fellow modelers.
 
Hello Everyone

Today was a big day - Hull Fairing!

I am very, happy with how this process went. Only on Bulkhead #9 (yes @Pathfinder65 Jan - me too), did I have to add a 1mm-thick Abachi strip (on both sides) to bring it into line with the flow of the rest of the bulkheads. It is indicated by the red arrow in the next two pictures.

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With the fairing completed, I was pleased to see how "symmetrical" the char was that was left on the bulkheads. That is always a good indication to see how the two sides shape up. Obviously, things can only be fine-tuned once the rest of the boxing of the hull has been completed, but for now I am well satisfied.

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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that is one sexy stern! ROTF

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Note how accurately the deck fits on the demarcated lines.

Lastly, I was looking and looking at my captain's cabin front wall - something was missing, but I couldn't put my finger on it. I went back to @pietsan Piet Sanders's build and then it struck me - it needed a "veranda", but not just any veranda - one in walnut. And with that done, the wall has now become a keeper!

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Now I am just waiting for my Paulownia wood to arrive (it should be today) and then I can complete the boxing of the hull!
 
Hello Heinrich, you have a well faired hull structure going on there. I was wondering if you had an opinion on the use of a dense foam for your boxing. I saw Olha Batchvarov of Shiptographer use it on one of her builds.
 
(Only on Bulkhead #9 (yes @Pathfinder65 Jan - me too), did I have to add a 1mm-thick Abachi strip (on both sides))

That is good to know, I was thinking I had made an error in that part of the build. I also my fairing was to cautious at the stern (de spiegel). I was hesitant to remove much material because of the amount of work I had put into planking that piece. I compounded my problems by my cautious approach.
 
Hello Heinrich, you have a well faired hull structure going on there. I was wondering if you had an opinion on the use of a dense foam for your boxing. I saw Olha Batchvarov of Shiptographer use it on one of her builds.
Hello my friend. I am not sure what foam she uses, because I cannot access her YouTube videos. I know there is a type of "expanding" foam that modelers sometimes use, but I have heard stories that it is difficult to control the expansion of this and that it may exert so much pressure on the bulkheads that it actually pushes them skew. Whether this is true or not, I do not know - but even so - I would rather use something I am familiar with. I get the Paulownia free of charge from YuanQing, so a big shout-out to Xiuli!

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It comes in strips of 500mm long and 11mm square. All that is left is to saw them to the required length - in my case, exactly 28mm between the bulkheads. She has sent me 10 x strips so I can now complete the boxing of the hull.
 
(Only on Bulkhead #9 (yes @Pathfinder65 Jan - me too), did I have to add a 1mm-thick Abachi strip (on both sides))

That is good to know, I was thinking I had made an error in that part of the build. I also my fairing was to cautious at the stern (de spiegel). I was hesitant to remove much material because of the amount of work I had put into planking that piece. I compounded my problems by my cautious approach.
I think you are good Jan. I am not cautious when it comes to fairing the hull (I use 80-grit sandpaper and let the little ship have it! :) ), but it was clear that there was an indentation on #9 that needed to be filled. I must tell you though that the partially boxed hull makes a big difference when fairing. Everything is just a lot more solid and rigid!
 
Well done, Heinrich! An important milestone that will only lead to more milestones...
Thank you, Paul. I think I have built a more accurate hull than the first, as the fairing actually went quite quick and was easy to do. The only caveat is the boxing of the hull which is a lot of extra work and time, but hopefully it will be worth it when it comes to the planking.
 
Can't beat free :p.

Olha has used rigid insulation as might be used in the construction industry.... Advantage: light weight.
I agree! And in my case, there are two more factors: To free, you need to add availability and speed of delivery (it took two days for the wood to get here from Shandong Province.
 
While I should have been sleeping, I was building puzzle! :D

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I must say, I find this quite therapeutic - whether I will find the hours and hours of sanding that lies ahead, also so therapeutic, will have to be seen.
 
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