• Win a Free Custom Engraved Brass Coin!!!
    As a way to introduce our brass coins to the community, we will raffle off a free coin during the month of August. Follow link ABOVE for instructions for entering.

HMS AGAMEMNON 1781 from scratch - scale 1/75

Allan,
I've a question relating to the beams and how they were attached. Are they in one or in two pieces as shown on hms victory plans ?
How were the beams attached on the Gang boards ? underneath ? above ??
I suppose beams were supported by colums..
I would be very grateful if I could be helped.
 
I just looked at the high resolution version of the QD and FC drawing and there is a penciled note that is adding some confusion for me. Based on the year for Agamemnon I would have guessed the skid beam/booms rested on iron cradles rather than being fixed. But seeing the note , I would guess the booms/skid beams were more or less permanent, much like deck beams, rather than resting on iron cradles as was done in earlier time periods.

The Deck to be laid and properly framed with the Hatch and Ladderways, Chocks for the Beams, and Boats. If chocks, instead of cradles, I THINK the skids would be under the gangway planking and resting in chock on or around the deck clamp.
This same penciled note can be found on the inboard profile drawing as well.


1760352218775.png
The photos of the contemporary model below of a 64 circa 1775 shows the skid beam going under the gangways, so probably secured in chocks as described above. I cannot see if the beams are in two pieces or not, but there are support pillars/columns.

1760353085972.png
1760353174863.png
 
thanks a lot Allan and Iutar.
Honestly, it's not easy to see things clearly sometimes, but thanks to your expertise and knowledge, I can make progress with my model with assurance.
I will communicate that to Mark (hmsFly) who is making the same model.
have a nice day
 
I did find the following in a contract for a smaller ship. Not sure it would apply to Aggie.

to have proper Beams in the Waist under the Gangboards, kneed at each End, and framed, and the Gangboards laid as shall be directed by the Draught, or Overseer inspecting the same.
 
William, the large twin beams on Victory's waist are a carryover from the days when the entire spar deck was covered with decking. The fact is that in the 19th century, Victory had one deck too many, according to the regulations of the time. It wasn't until the 20th century that the upper deck was removed and the forecastle and quarterdeck restored. The beams remained from the removed deck. Such powerful beams are not needed for storing boats. Make beams like those on the museum model of a 64-gun ship.
HMS_Victory,_Nelson's_flagship_at_the_Battle_of_Trafalgar,_anchored_in_Portsmouth_Harbour_in_1...jpg
HMS_'Victory'_on_which_Nelson_died._Portsmouth_RMG_PW7815.jpgTriumphs_and_wonders_of_the_19th_century,_the_true_mirror_of_a_phenomenal_era,_a_volume_of_ori...jpgVictory_Portsmouth_um_1900.jpgHalfdek_van_de_HMS_Victory_Quarter_deck_(titel_op_object),_RP-F-2001-7-228-3_(cropped).jpg
 
William, the large twin beams on Victory's waist are a carryover from the days when the entire spar deck was covered with decking. The fact is that in the 19th century, Victory had one deck too many, according to the regulations of the time. It wasn't until the 20th century that the upper deck was removed and the forecastle and quarterdeck restored. The beams remained from the removed deck. Such powerful beams are not needed for storing boats. Make beams like those on the museum model of a 64-gun ship.
View attachment 550036
View attachment 550037View attachment 550038View attachment 550039View attachment 550035
Excellent !
:)
 
Back
Top