HMS ENTERPRISE 1774 by RichardJJS 1:48 scale. New Kit from M.D

[AllanKP69]

Must be doing a different Model to me

Same ship, just a terminology thing by the kit maker I am guessing. One way to tell if the deck down low is a platform or orlop is the way the planks sit towards the center of the ship. On larger ships of course there were both platforms and an orlop deck.
Allan

 

[richardjjs]

adding the side partitions first Lower /Gun Ddeck
ay i suggest you make them a little longer 'cas it can be cut off

 

[richardjjs]

Got another question
Step 79 Steering System
How does the rope fromB9-a run along the edge of F1-4 to what is B25-F
AND how does the Tiller (4 x4 mm strip) stay under rubbing on F1-25

Assume that F1-4 is fixed to the beam
cant fix the rudder ship is still in Jig

Trying to find more info on Goggle

 

[Corsair]

I imagine it is similar to what I have found in the books on "The 74 Gun Ship", Vol 2. pages 134 through 137.
The rope is kept taught by tensioning tackle on the tiller. The line rides in a groove along the front edge of F1-4.
The tiller stays up under the tiller sweep, F1-4 by a gooseneck on part B25-f that hooks over the top of F1-4.

 

[richardjjs]

I imagine it is similar to what I have found in the books on "The 74 Gun Ship", Vol 2. pages 134 through 137.
The rope is kept taught by tensioning tackle on the tiller. The line rides in a groove along the front edge of F1-4.
The tiller stays up under the tiller sweep, F1-4 by a gooseneck on part B25-f that hooks over the top of F1-4.

just wondered about a groove thanks
Ive Beams 13 - 26 DONE
Found ir easier to Get the partiotins about right (1plank less in height ) Put gthe beams in and then snap the partitions into place
It the way it would be done on board Made no 22 removable so i can build the steering
Its going ok (at 23.00 hours - not sure at 22.30!!

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[AllanKP69]

just wondered about a groove

For the model a groove is not too difficult to make and will work. Enterprise 1774 would likely have had the Pollard system which came into use about 1771 and became the norm shortly after. It was actually ordered on all ships by the Navy Board by 1775. For our scales, a groove as suggested by Jeff should work well as an alternative. The drawings below are from Brian Lavery's book The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War.

Allan

 

[richardjjs]

For the model a groove is not too difficult to make and will work. Enterprise 1774 would likely have had the Pollard system which came into use about 1771 and became the norm shortly after. It was actually ordered on all ships by the Navy Board by 1775. For our scales, a groove as suggested by Jeff should work well as an alternative. The drawings below are from Brian Lavery's book The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War.

Allan

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Did this before i saw this post

But its near enough I think Need to add the detail

Thanks Allan

 

[richardjjs]

Hopefully not another stupid question
Looking at the chain pump = Thats tiny bits
Got the main parts but where are the square shaped parts or are the wood
How long is the chain
Another HUrdle
It really is challenging
Has anybody done this yet

Have found this on Brandford
Would it be the same pump and lookts like its all hidden in the casing
So maybe just build the casing
Will look tomorrw

 

[richardjjs]

Better do another post Is there a jig for the Well Walls on the Gun DEck
It says 3 x 3 Strips but is it just 3 x 3 strips and 3 x 1 strips or a jig
I cannot see how this can be built without
THANKS

 

[Corsair]

I don't see any "white PVC" in the kit to make those out of. However, I don't see a problem with making them out of some thin (1 mm) wood possibly, or even getting some sheet styrene to make them out of. As far as the length, they need to be long enough for the loop to reach from the bottom to the top wheel.

 

[richardjjs]

Hopefully not another stupid question
Looking at the chain pump = Thats tiny bits
Got the main parts but where are the square shaped parts or are the wood
How long is the chain
Another HUrdle
It really is challenging
Has anybody done this yet

Have found this on Brandford
Would it be the same pump and lookts like its all hidden in the casing
So maybe just build the casing
Will look tomorrw


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AND it shows a kind of Roof on Brandford which would hid it all

 

[AllanKP69]

The drawings you show look like the pumps used prior to the introduction of William Coles pumps which became common about the time of Enterprise. With the timing her pumps might have been one design or the other. Either way the chain and saucers will be hidden. It could be fun to assemble and install, but you may be the only person to ever know it is there.
Allan

Pump prior to the Cole pump. Note the size of the bottom wheel was much larger, and with sprockets similar to those in the drawing you posted. This sketch is from Lavery's The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, page 72.




Coles pump drawing held at RMG and published in Lavery's The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War

 

[AllanKP69]

Did this before i saw this post

Looks great to me!!!!

 

[AllanKP69]

Just checked the contract for her sister Aurora (28) 1776 . This is two years after Enterprise so may not apply...... your call....
Allan

PUMP CISTERN To make a proper Cistern for receiving Coles pumps with pump dales as shall be directed

 

[richardjjs]

I don't see any "white PVC" in the kit to make those out of. However, I don't see a problem with making them out of some thin (1 mm) wood possibly, or even getting some sheet styrene to make them out of. As far as the length, they need to be long enough for the loop to reach from the bottom to the top wheel.

in the bigger of the two boxes under the cardboard the are two sheets of pvc - one has the chain but no "square" pieces for the flat part
This should be in the kit
I am going to buld the Pump casing and put a cover on it like Brandford

AND the illustrations for the vented pump partition again like the other partitions do not contain anything to build the detail

 

[richardjjs]

FOUND the bits for the Pump
Hidden on J1 with the other bits to the pump But it would be nice to be on Instructions

 

[TRS7139]

I don't see any "white PVC" in the kit to make those out of. However, I don't see a problem with making them out of some thin (1 mm) wood possibly, or even getting some sheet styrene to make them out of. As far as the length, they need to be long enough for the loop to reach from the bottom to the top wheel.

Agree.
I seem to recall they were at least partially leather to seal all the way to bottom.
I have constructed the chain wheels up top(royal PIA) .Tip….I used black mono to space wheel halves, far easier than brass wire.
Probably only need 1” or so on chains, once they disappear into down pipes, can’t see anything anyway.
I have thin leather skiving which I plan to make squares and slot to fit chains, that’s my thinking so far…..we’ll see.
Presently paused on lower deck carlings, doing a few forward beams, topsail bitts, shear bitts, stove, carlings on gun deck mostly to establish all positioning before I finish up below.
There’s a lot of parts interplay here and I want to get it right since much is secured to lower deck as well especially since I am painting here as well and if you don’t do it early virtually impossible access with so many gun dexk carlings so I”m slowly working after with both decks….so far so good.

Lot’s here just positioned without glue, lot’s of carlings to do and final sanding for gun deck.

Also, not sure about under stove as to either going with a layer of brick or metal shielding.
Any thoughts ?

 

[Corsair]

Agree.
I seem to recall they were at least partially leather to seal all the way to bottom.
I have constructed the chain wheels up top(royal PIA) .Tip….I used black mono to space wheel halves, far easier than brass wire.
Probably only need 1” or so on chains, once they disappear into down pipes, can’t see anything anyway.
I have thin leather skiving which I plan to make squares and slot to fit chains, that’s my thinking so far…..we’ll see.
Presently paused on lower deck carlings, doing a few forward beams, verticals/ structures, stove, carlings on gun deck mostly to establish all positioning before I finish up below.
There’s a lot of parts interplay here and I want to get it right since much is secured to lower deck as well especially since I am painting here as well and if you don’t do it early virtually impossible access with so many gun dexk carlings so I”m slowly working after with both decks….so far so good.

Lot’s here just positioned without glue, lot’s of carlings to do and final sanding for gun deck.

Also, not sure about under stove as to either going with a layer of brick or metal shielding.
Any thoughts ?

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Wow Tim ! That is looking great ! Personally, I like the bricks under the stove. and in one image, that's what they show in Goodwin's "Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War".

 

[richardjjs]

Agree.
I seem to recall they were at least partially leather to seal all the way to bottom.
I have constructed the chain wheels up top(royal PIA) .Tip….I used black mono to space wheel halves, far easier than brass wire.
Probably only need 1” or so on chains, once they disappear into down pipes, can’t see anything anyway.
I have thin leather skiving which I plan to make squares and slot to fit chains, that’s my thinking so far…..we’ll see.
Presently paused on lower deck carlings, doing a few forward beams, topsail bitts, shear bitts, stove, carlings on gun deck mostly to establish all positioning before I finish up below.
There’s a lot of parts interplay here and I want to get it right since much is secured to lower deck as well especially since I am painting here as well and if you don’t do it early virtually impossible access with so many gun dexk carlings so I”m slowly working after with both decks….so far so good.

Lot’s here just positioned without glue, lot’s of carlings to do and final sanding for gun deck.

Also, not sure about under stove as to either going with a layer of brick or metal shielding.
Any thoughts ?

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Looking Good
Have you built the shuttered panel above the Pump
It just says 3 x 3 timber not sure how you get it all se neat

 

[AllanKP69]

Also, not sure about under stove as to either going with a layer of brick or metal shielding.
Any thoughts ?

Most drawings like those in Goodwin's work, as Jeff points out, show brick. Lavery shows metal plate under the stove and I think this then sat on brick. In looking at information on this topic I never realized the stoves varied in size for every size ship which makes sense considering the crew sizes varied. For Enterprise it would be 4'3" athwartships by 4' 6" fore and aft.
Allan