Unboxing Hms Enterprize 1774 1:48 - Modelship Dockyard

Hello fj3131030
I tried Google translate without success so cannot respond or comment on what you wrote.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Hello fj3131030
I tried Google translate without success so cannot respond or comment on what you wrote.
Allan
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Good morning Allan,
I used the “translate” on my iPad, hope this helps:

The technology of 3D printing cannon is completely portable. In fact, in Diana's project, I have asked the designer to give me a set of 3D printing cannon, but to be honest, if you want a relatively effective one, you need the producer's good skills. So I gave up the 3D-printed cannon and used a copper cannon that was not very correct. I like your careful research attitude very much and feedback your questions to the designer of the model. I hope you can continue to point out various problems in my thread, which is a good feedback. If you live in China, your requirements can be met. Model makers in China communicate directly with model developers. They may give you a set of customized 3D printing guns, because it doesn't cost much. As an ordinary kit, they chose a copper cannon. To meet the needs of the public, because beginners may prefer copper cannons.
 
Jimsky said:
Thanks, Allan. But what is the definition of a superior model?
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Everyone has their own definition as it is relative, but examples that I use to set my own goals are the plank on frame contemporary models in museums such as RMG, Preble Hall, Musee National de la Marine etc. The quality of the materials and accuracy of construction are evident in these old models. I am sure I will never reach their quality and accuracy, but it is a goal none-the-less and hopefully each subsequent model I build is superior to the previous one that I built.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Everyone has their own definition as it is relative, but examples that I use to set my own goals are the plank on frame contemporary models in museums such as RMG, Preble Hall, Musee National de la Marine etc. The quality of the materials and accuracy of construction are evident in these old models. I am sure I will never reach their quality and accuracy, but it is a goal none-the-less and hopefully each subsequent model I build is superior to the previous one that I built.
Allan
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Thank you, and yes, the point is that everyone has their standards for a superior model. ;) For one, the kit-supplied cannon will make a model of his/her dream.

To conclude everything said, why would you ever need a kit? If the kit cannot meet your historical accuracy requirement, then your options are obvious -build from scratch!
 
AllanKP69 said:
Actually I do build from scratch, always have since I switched from plastic to wood back in the '70s, but, would LOVE to build a kit if it could be done without too much bashing. One of these days. :)
Thanks for your comments Jim, very much appreciated.
Allan
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I quote. That's the best definition of "superior model" to me... . Hoy, by the same manufacturer, is a lovely kit, but requires a huge amount of parts made from scratch and so much raw material not included in the kit just to have her decently put together. So my concern is about the proportion between Hoy and this new and otherwise fascinating kit.
 
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neilm said:
Agree. Let’s just have fun building models, and these are great models.
Way too much nitpicking on details.
It’s enough to put manufacturers off.
Scratch build if you want total perfection. The majority of hobbyists just want to build a kit.,Great for therapy and mental wellbeing.
Go scratch build then, purists!
That’s my opinion and when you look back over 50 odd years of modelling, we have come on leaps and bounds.
Well done kit manufacturers. I salute you.
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I agree entirely. I build wooden model ships because I really enjoy building 18th century war ships. I read anything about them and I love historical fiction about them. I think that kit manufacturers do a remarkable job representing historical ships. You have to ask yourself how many of you have actually seen an 18th century warship; not a reproduction at a tall ships display in a local harbor. Those ships are modernized to comply with modern seaway standards so their sailors are put in the least amount of danger at sea.
I have been waiting to purchase this particular kit since last fall and as soon as it’s available I will buy it. If some things need to be modified I will do so. It’s a part of the fun. If you don’t want to go through all the trouble that this entails buy a completed model to set on your shelf.
Someone needs to tell me where and how I can purchase this kit so I can get going on it.
 
Geno said:
I agree entirely. I build wooden model ships because I really enjoy building 18th century war ships. I read anything about them and I love historical fiction about them. I think that kit manufacturers do a remarkable job representing historical ships. You have to ask yourself how many of you have actually seen an 18th century warship; not a reproduction at a tall ships display in a local harbor. Those ships are modernized to comply with modern seaway standards so their sailors are put in the least amount of danger at sea.
I have been waiting to purchase this particular kit since last fall and as soon as it’s available I will buy it. If some things need to be modified I will do so. It’s a part of the fun. If you don’t want to go through all the trouble that this entails buy a completed model to set on your shelf.
Someone needs to tell me where and how I can purchase this kit so I can get going on it.
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Hi

It will be available here

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albertmary said:
I quote. That's the best definition of "superior model" to me... . Hoy, by the same manufacturer, is a lovely kit, but requires a huge amount of parts made from scratch and so much raw material not included in the kit just to have her decently put together. So my concern is about the proportion between Hoy and this new and otherwise fascinating kit.
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For the framework model, our design philosophy is to expose the complete structure as much as possible, so we will not provide a large number of decks and hulls planking, which will obstruct most of the structure.
But creators can add some decks and hulls according to their preferences, or they can ask us to customize this part of the content. All decks and hulls produced processing files during the initial design phase.
 
wuxiaomeng said:
For the framework model, our design philosophy is to expose the complete structure as much as possible, so we will not provide a large number of decks and hulls planking, which will obstruct most of the structure.
But creators can add some decks and hulls according to their preferences, or they can ask us to customize this part of the content. All decks and hulls produced processing files during the initial design phase.
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To me, the greatest issue is about removing char from any single laser cut and alrady too semplified little part. Hoy's frame was great, apart from for the incoherency between the last aft frame and the stern vertical filling timbers, which is an obvious and a major fault. Then, to be totally honest, I fear these problems and their number could be scaled up to a model as twice as big the Hoy or even bigger.

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Jimsky said:
I was quiet watching the thread but... I need to speak up. First, I am not part of the Modelship Drydock yard or affiliated with the kit manufacturer. However, it seems that some of us don't realize the purpose of the kits. Why do we keep looking for mistakes such as gun patterns, tapering the head knee the thickness of the frames, etc.? The majority of us don't even know most of the nautical terminology and are happy with the purchased kit as is. The most challenging task would be to assemble the kit and not worry too much about the correct gun pattern provided. The kit basher should take care of the proper guns and other parts authentically incorrect or suspiciously supplied in the kit. Does the kit say anywhere it is an exact copy of the original ship? I think we are spoiled by today's technology and demand more and more.

Why do we suggest to manufacturer how they should sell their kits? @AllanKP69 You can try to order a custom kit where you will ask what to include/exclude from the kit. I don't think it will be possible, but you can try. How many of us know the correct patent guns? How many of us know the difference between Armstrong Fredericks and Blomefield patterns? How many reinforcement rings the cascabel should have and their thickness? How many of us want to know what Cascabel is? We keep forgetting that the kit manufacturer is a business to begin with. Why do we keep complaining and demanding? To me, it is simple: I either will buy or will not, IMHO.

BTW... will the kit provide hardware for the axletrees' support, or what would be the correct angle for the transom? Where is the transom in the cannon? How about the correct diameter for the trunnion? And what the heck is trunnion? ;) LOL
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Absolutely. People should build and enjoy the result of building these kits. Rivet counters are a pain in the rear sometimes. Just like in Hi Fi where we have people who listen to the equipment instead of the music.
 
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