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HMS Jalouse - Caldercraft by Ted

Ted Robinson said:
I think it would come out much better the second time around.
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It will Ted! Not a kit, but I stupidly started my first build, Victory, from scratch using Mantua plans, if I remember correctly, in 1978,. (couldn't afford a kit:() That was bad enough, but then luck smiled and I was able to sell it and built another Victory back to back. At least by then I had my first good book on modeling, the 1977 edition of The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships by Longridge. It came out 10 times better and is still in the family after four moves.

Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
It will Ted! Not a kit, but I stupidly started my first build, Victory, from scratch using Mantua plans, if I remember correctly, in 1978,. (couldn't afford a kit:() That was bad enough, but then luck smiled and I was able to sell it and built another Victory back to back. At least by then I had my first good book on modeling, the 1977 edition of The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships by Longridge. It came out 10 times better and is still in the family after four moves.

Allan
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Sorry for the late reply. Got COVID again and been in recovery facility. I just watched the latest Olha Batcherov video on rigging. Makes me want to attempt rigging at that level. I need a book like the one you mentioned.cwill start shopping today.
Happy modeling
 
Your skills are growing so why not consider a high quality kit like the ones from Model Ship Dockyard for your next project. Looking at build logs here they seem to be light years ahead of the rest in both accuracy and quality.

Allan
 
I have considered them. Looking for something larger like 1:48 where the detail comes easier. Just looking online for a serving machine.and a good Nelson ship book. I want to do really accurate rigging. At a size I can deal with it. The other thing is after Building The POF Bluenose I prefer the POF. I've also been looking at the ZHL Mayflower POF.
 
Ted Robinson said:
I want to do really accurate rigging. At a size I can deal with it. The other thing is after Building The POF Bluenose I prefer the POF. I've also been looking at the ZHL Mayflower POF.
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IMHO the best book for rigging English ships from the 17th century to the mid 19th century is James Lees' Then Masting and Rigging English Ships of War. Anderson;s The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast is somewhat limited in time but very helpful. Petersson's book on square rigged ships has nice sketches that can be helpful but is based on one ship so extremely limited. Mayflower rigging will be a challenge due to the era. Then again, no one really knows how she was actually rigged in detail so that gives a lot of leeway. :) There are others that I am sure other members can recommend for you or warn you t avoid.
Allan
 
Ted Robinson said:
I have considered them. Looking for something larger like 1:48 where the detail comes easier. Just looking online for a serving machine.and a good Nelson ship book. I want to do really accurate rigging. At a size I can deal with it. The other thing is after Building The POF Bluenose I prefer the POF. I've also been looking at the ZHL Mayflower POF.
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Ted,

I have been using the "Serve-o-Matic" from Syren Models. It is fairly inexpensive and works well for me. I know it has not gotten the best reviews. I was careful to put the gears together and lubed the gears and bearing surfaces with lithium grease. I think this really helped smooth the action. I also notice the more I use it the easier it is. The served shroud lines look good but TBH I don't know how much others would appreciate or notice that the shrouds are served. It is also fairly compact and easy to store. I use alligator clips instead of the binder clamps to secure the line.

Syren Servo-Matic ship model rope serving machine

syrenshipmodelcompany.com syrenshipmodelcompany.com

Rob
 
Rob444 said:
Ted,

I have been using the "Serve-o-Matic" from Syren Models. It is fairly inexpensive and works well for me. I know it has not gotten the best reviews. I was careful to put the gears together and lubed the gears and bearing surfaces with lithium grease. I think this really helped smooth the action. I also notice the more I use it the easier it is. The served shroud lines look good but TBH I don't know how much others would appreciate or notice that the shrouds are served. It is also fairly compact and easy to store. I use alligator clips instead of the binder clamps to secure the line.

Syren Servo-Matic ship model rope serving machine

syrenshipmodelcompany.com syrenshipmodelcompany.com

Rob
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I was looking at the Serv-o-matic. It's about the same price as the Ali-baba knockoffs. I think I'm going to order One thanks for the hint on lubrication.
 
AllanKP69 said:
IMHO the best book for rigging English ships from the 17th century to the mid 19th century is James Lees' Then Masting and Rigging English Ships of War. Anderson;s The Rigging of Ships in the Days of the Spritsail Topmast is somewhat limited in time but very helpful. Petersson's book on square rigged ships has nice sketches that can be helpful but is based on one ship so extremely limited. Mayflower rigging will be a challenge due to the era. Then again, no one really knows how she was actually rigged in detail so that gives a lot of leeway. :) There are others that I am sure other members can recommend for you or warn you t avoid.
Allan
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Do you think I could get the rigging information I need from the Anatomy of Nelson's ships. Available at about half the price. @AllanKP69
 
Hi Ted,
If you want to know what lines went where and the line sizes as well as block sizes, etc for your ship, The Anatomy may create more problems than it solves for rigging Jaouse. I have Longridge's book and love it but it will not help you with mast, yard, sprit sizes nor standing and running rigging sizes for ships other than Victory and even then it lacks information.. You can download David Steel's rigging book for free. It has a wealth of useful information including describing every line. It does not give line sizes though for all ship rates as does Lees' book, but worth downloading and studying. It is from 1794 so most likely appropriate for Jalouse if she was re-rigged after being captured. https://maritime.org/doc/steel/ In the end Lees' book is the most complete and comprehensive available for English ships from 1625 to 1860. I've been using mine for about 20 years so at today's prices about 40 cents per month :)

Allan
 

AllanKP69 said:
Hi Ted,
If you want to know what lines went where and the line sizes as well as block sizes, etc for your ship, The Anatomy may create more problems than it solves for rigging Jaouse. I have Longridge's book and love it but it will not help you with mast, yard, sprit sizes nor standing and running rigging sizes for ships other than Victory and even then it lacks information.. You can download David Steel's rigging book for free. It has a wealth of useful information including describing every line. It does not give line sizes though for all ship rates as does Lees' book, but worth downloading and studying. It is from 1794 so most likely appropriate for Jalouse if she was re-rigged after being captured. https://maritime.org/doc/steel/ In the end Lees' book is the most complete and comprehensive available for English ships from 1625 to 1860. I've been using mine for about 20 years so at today's prices about 40 cents per month :)

Allan
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More looking to what lines and blocks were seized, hooks and toggles, etc
I'm still using my current model as a.learning experience but want to build it as well as possible.
I want my next to be my masterpiece.
If I don't see some.improvement in my health this may be the masterpiece if you get what I mean.
I thank you wholeheartedly for your time and attention..
I really want to build a pof fully technically rigged model in 1:48 or larger.
Just looked at ZHL Royal Caroline with boxwood carvings. But alas my skill set isn't up to it yet
 
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