Kingfisher 1770 1:48 POF

I think it's possible the red contrast against the outer hull will be just as appealing on the inner bulwarks without having to paint all the strakes. In fact, when the canons are in place the red trim will frame them quite nicely.
Sorry, mon ami!! I didn't mean to disappoint you, hence it is only my opinion. Here is why. The port linings are part of the inner bulwarks. Inside, they (linings) will be covered by planks. But again, this is strictly the way I would do it if would painted linings. Please do it the way you like, it will still be one of the most beautiful models, for sure! There is no right or wrong, it is your model!
Looking for clarification here...I think the planking on the inboard side will cover the edge of the port linings. That's correct, isn't it?
 
Paul, Immaculate work on the port stops. Which color # did you finally decide on? I really do like it on the stops. They are elegantly thin and the color draws my eye to them in a very good way. I can't help but think, for me anyway, that the same color on the broad expanse of the inner bulwarks would be very bright. I have the highest respect for the quality of your work. It may just be a "personal taste" thing. I don't think you are committed to coloring the bulwarks just because you did so on the port stops. Regardless, as we all know we build what we love and that's all that counts! ;)

Bottom line, whatever you choose, I am quite sure it will be a winner!
 
Looking for clarification here...I think the planking on the inboard side will cover the edge of the port linings. That's correct, isn't it?
yes, this is correct, mon ami! Basically, If my logic is correct, the linings are part of the port cover so water cannot enter because of the tight fit of linings.

This may help to visualize.

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I do not know Paul but if they are covered then even better in my mind only.
Yup. I confess I am not tracking with @Jimsky 's explanation. If the linings are covered by the planks on the inboard (which is what I intend to do) that would seem to partially negate the issue of color. Of course, my 'qualification' for this position is the fact that I am an exceptionally good orthodontist ROTF ROTF ROTF.

At the end of the day, as Jim has pointed out, there is a great deal of freedom granted to the modeler. I have already failed if my goal was a blind devotion to historical accuracy. It sure is fun to explore the options!
 
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Ok, I'm confused. The inner work planking will cover the stops, but I thought you were thinking of painting the entire inner work planking red. Where did my reading comprehension fail me? ROTF Maybe I should just read and not ask questions.
 
Ok, I'm confused. The inner work planking will cover the stops, but I thought you were thinking of painting the entire inner work planking red. Where did my reading comprehension fail me? ROTF Maybe I should just read and not ask questions.
I'm confused with you and one should read ánd ask questions.
 
Gentlemen, allow me to alleviate your confusion.

The question I posited was which color seemed best for painting/tinting the inboard planking of the bulwarks. A bunch of people weighed in with a preference for the more red tones (or red/brown tones). Several colleagues, however, suggested that NOT painting the bulwarks was the way to go. This was the genesis for the original dialogue.

My initial plan was to complete half of this model as a finished ship which means that certain elements would/should be painted. I have this in my head. But the argument that the wood on this model is too nice to cover with paint is valid. The boxwood is truly beautiful. So I am open to a change of direction and have been looking at LOTS of finished models this week trying to decide how I want to proceed with my build.

In the interim I chose to tint the port linings/stops. I thought this was a stand-alone/isolated decision. That is, I tinted these linings thinking that I could still decide later if I was going to add color to the bulwarks. But Jim demurred and suggested that this was also the decision to paint the bulwarks (with the caveat that the builder (in this case me) gets to do whatever he wants to do :)).

This launched the sub-dialogue about how the port linings/stops relate to the planking on the inboard wall of the bulwarks. Jim has shown some drawings and these agree 100% with Antscherl (the resource that primarily informs this build).

At the end of the day this is all just part of the fun of being on the forum. I am truly out of my depth in terms of naval architecture and ship design so I do rely on the forum members to provide guidance and insight. But (and this is an important but), I do not feel beholden to historical accuracy. This is just a hobby for me and I do it for fun; and the forum adds to that fun in a most unexpected way!

If you care...the leader in the clubhouse is to color the bulwarks but there are still players out on the course... ROTF.
 
Gentlemen, allow me to alleviate your confusion.

The question I posited was which color seemed best for painting/tinting the inboard planking of the bulwarks. A bunch of people weighed in with a preference for the more red tones (or red/brown tones). Several colleagues, however, suggested that NOT painting the bulwarks was the way to go. This was the genesis for the original dialogue.

My initial plan was to complete half of this model as a finished ship which means that certain elements would/should be painted. I have this in my head. But the argument that the wood on this model is too nice to cover with paint is valid. The boxwood is truly beautiful. So I am open to a change of direction and have been looking at LOTS of finished models this week trying to decide how I want to proceed with my build.

In the interim I chose to tint the port linings/stops. I thought this was a stand-alone/isolated decision. That is, I tinted these linings thinking that I could still decide later if I was going to add color to the bulwarks. But Jim demurred and suggested that this was also the decision to paint the bulwarks (with the caveat that the builder (in this case me) gets to do whatever he wants to do :)).

This launched the sub-dialogue about how the port linings/stops relate to the planking on the inboard wall of the bulwarks. Jim has shown some drawings and these agree 100% with Antscherl (the resource that primarily informs this build).

At the end of the day this is all just part of the fun of being on the forum. I am truly out of my depth in terms of naval architecture and ship design so I do rely on the forum members to provide guidance and insight. But (and this is an important but), I do not feel beholden to historical accuracy. This is just a hobby for me and I do it for fun; and the forum adds to that fun in a most unexpected way!

If you care...the leader in the clubhouse is to color the bulwarks but there are still players out on the course... ROTF.
Once silence reigns again and the dust has settled, it's up to the shipwright to decide. Historical accuracy is a very subjective concept, as we have seen in numerous discussions on this forum. For every opinion there seems to be a diametrically opposed counter opinion. Go for your own convictions.
 
A very small update... I have placed the port linings (port stops) and I chose to tint these a red color (#1 on the sample panel from a previous post). I remain uncertain whether or not I will be tinting the inner bulwark planking (or, for that matter, other elements) - but I am happy with the port linings...

The gun port linings are roughly 1 1/2" thick (corrected for scale) and the row port linings are about 1" thick.

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My batteries have been recharged so I'm going to begin adding treenails to the inner planking next - though I'm going to only do the deck clamps and thickstuff for now and see how that looks...

Thanks for the visit!
Good morning Paul. YES!!! Love it. Cheers Grant
 
Hello Paul,
all I can say is it looks good, the contrast is right and you are the builder/captain of the ship. As I once read in a post in the French forum, there is no historically correct and traditional color scheme because every captain had his own idea. There was probably a specification, but whether the red was lighter or darker or green, blue or yellow was entirely up to the captain. Personally, I try to do it with “natural” types of wood, whereby the hornbeam wood is also colored. For the inner planks of the bulwark I have now ordered two different wood patterns that don't make me completely happy at the moment. But that's another topic. As I said, you are the captain and you must like it, so keep it up because it's wonderful to follow your build. When it comes to charging the batteries, I can completely understand you, I'm still in charging mode and hope to be fully charged again after the holidays.

I wish you and your family a wonderful Christmas holiday. Kind regards Tobias.
 
I am very pleased with your retrospective about treenailing, Paul.
I have indeed used the Byrnes drawplate for pointing the toothpicks. I don’t know if they where from bamboo. Just some boxes from the supermarket.
I used the Drawplate on the backside with some turning pressure on the toothpick:
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For my Bluenose in scale1:72 I used hole ‘26’. Using it from this side it does not compress the wood but made just a point because of the sharp edges on that side:
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Just a little bit bigger then the drilled holes.
Then you can insert them into the holes with a little bit friction by turning them in:
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Regards, Peter
Clever Hack, Peter!
 
Thanks, everyone, for your affirmation that my Retrospective might benefit someone! This forum is a great place to share experiences and techniques as well as a safe place for learning and pondering options that has helped me over and over again.

I needed a break from 'woodworking', so I crossed an item off my punch-list: adding nails to the ribands...

As I understand it, ribands were placed to properly position frames and provide some temporary support during the construction process, but as planks were added the ribands were removed. To that end the small nails that held them in place needed to be extracted. Here is my solution:

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At first I went for a faux solution (just 0.3 mm holes drilled into the ribands) but that was unconvincing. These 'nails' have a 0.4 mm rounded head and I have left them 'proud' of the surface.

In truth you have to get pretty close to the ship and wear reading glasses to see them so it may have been a wasted effort. But it's done now and I'm happy with the result.
This looks like an eminently reasonable solution and very convincing, at scale. Nice work!
 
if you were going to paint it, I would use the darker color as I think it is closer to the ox blood color. what about a dark red stain? But I'm of the opinion to not color it or maybe just do the side that is fully planked...

As far as the port linings, I've not seen any other documentation on it and Antscherl seems to have done quite a bit of research, so I would go with his direction. If nothing else, you have a source. :)
I have to agree with Corsaire, here. Particularly for this period, and spanning a much broader window on the margins, David Antscherl is as close to a rigorous and irrefutable source as you will find.
 
Current running tally: 9400 treenails. I'd show a picture but if you've seen one treenail you've seen 9400 treenails...

For me Christmas isn't a secular holiday...but if it is for you allow me to wish you the happiest of times with family and friends. Delight in this special season of celebration, gift-giving, and feasting, and take some time to be thankful for all the blessings that have come your way in this life. Make great memories this year!

And for those of you who hold to the miracle of the incarnation... Behold, good news and great joy are ours!!!
 
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