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Planset review L´AMARANTE - Corvette de 12 canons 1747" in scale 1:36 by Gérard Delacroix
Hello Bill I ask you to start a construction diary. I just started building a couple of weeks ago.
Are you going to initiate a Build Log for your model? It certainly would be interesting.Planset Review:
L´AMARANTE
Corvette de 12 canons 1747
by Gérard Delacroix alias @G. DELACROIX
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The basic Planset is available in french or spanish language in scale 1:36 directly by the author and publisher @G. DELACROIX or via his well known web-site
MARINE ET MODELISME D'ARSENAL
Monographie d'une galere de 1690gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr
Excerpts from his web-site:
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SYNOPSIS:
Emancipated from their origins dating from the end of the 17th century, the first corvettes appeared as a distinct family in the 1730s. From that date, and contrary to certain types of ship that will disappear more or less quickly, they will evolve and continue until today.
The architectural study presented here is based on the first constructions of this family. The choice fell on the corvettes of the years 1740/1750 for which we have firsthand information given by eminent manufacturers of this time.
This monograph is based on the plans of a corvette started by builders Ollivier father and son in the years that will follow the appearance of a well identified type.
The chosen plan has the advantage of having been used for the construction of three corvettes whose decor of each of them has come down to us. From the same set of plans proposed in the monograph, we will be able to choose a specific decoration. This formula offers the choice to diversify the models.
This book details the architecture, the fittings, the equipment and the rigging of a corvette of 12 guns of years 1745. The plans are at 1/36 for a relative ease of execution with a plate at 1/48 for a realization on this scale. The entire framework is drawn, it will allow the construction of a model with all the rigor desired by arsenal modeling.
A model of the french corvette L´AMARANTE built in scale 1:48 by Gianpiero Ricci
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Size of the built model:
The model measures at 1/36 ° (L x W x H):
hull only: 0.86 m x 0.22 m x 0.22 m
rigged ship: 1.08 m x 0.44 m x 0.86 m
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CONTENT:
Summary of the booklet, 112 pages (sewn square back, 120 g paper)
24 x 31 cm format, booklet and plans in a cardboard box and blue cloth
with color jacket representing L'Amarante under sails with watercolor by J. Bellis.
Content of the Booklet:
The corvettes of the years 1740/1750
Illustration of the evolution of corvettes
Commented map of La Palme
The three corvettes of Joseph-Louis Ollivier
Commentary on the decoration of the three corvettes
Comments of the 32 plates of the monograph
Metal Works - Painting
Wood sampling quote
Rig description
Photos of a 1/48 model by G. Chatainier
Content and List of drawings in scale 1:36:
1 - Schematic elevation of the hull
2 - Vertical sections
3 - Horizontal sections
4 - Axial structure
5, 6 & 7 - Frame Drawings
8 - Frame of the front and construction of the fiber
9 - Frame and realization of the stern
10 - Elevation of the frame
11 - Longitudinal section of the frame
12 - Carpentry in the hold
13 - Framing of intermediate floors
14 - Bridge Framing
15 - Frame of the fellows
16 - Cross sections and sections
17 - Arrangements of the hold
18 - Arrangements of intermediate floors
19 - Deck fittings and fellows
20 - Facilities, large longitudinal section
21 - Elements of equipment
22 - Elements of equipment
23 - Great elevation
24 - Views from the front and the back
25 - Mature
26 - Filling of the masts
27 - Sails
28 - Poultry
29 - Standing rigging and longitudinal sails
30 - Great elevation under sails
31 - Finishing of maneuvers
32 - Schematic elevation and cuts in scale 1:48
L'Amarante, a 12-gun Corvette, was built in Brest 1747 as the last in a series of three (La Palme and L'Anemone were the first two). The plans were made by Joseph-Louis Ollivier, who was only 15 at the time when the construction of La Palme began in 1744 and he was undoubtedly helped by his father, Blaise Ollivier, who at that time was a recognized naval architect who, among other projects, had made the plans for Le Fleuron. The definition of a corvette took form in the mid-18th century and was described as ".. a fast sailing ship with fewer than 20 guns" and corvettes eventually replaced the light frigates.
L'Amarante was completed in december 1747 and in March 1748 it captured the British kaperskib Prince of Wales. Between July and November 1751 L'Amarante participated in a scientific expedition off the coast of Spain and Portugal. In June 1757 it leaves Rochefort together with four frigates and one other corvette to escort a convoy to Brest and it also performed convoy service in 1758. In October 1759 L'Amarante departs from Dunkirk with five frigates and 1200 men for a planned landing attempt in Ireland. It is on this occasion L'Amarante sank off Saint-Malo in February 1760.
L'Amarante had a length of 84 feet (French) 6 inches (27.44 m), width 22 feet (7.15 m) depth of 10 feet 1 inch (3.27 m). Fully loaded, a tonnage of 232. The armament consisted of twelve 4-pounder iron guns. The drawings for the ship's decorations were done by Caffiery.
By using Blaise Ollivier's original as well as various contemporary plans and descriptions Gerard Delacroix has created an excellent monograph.
Taken from the very interesting web-page - take also a look at the model:
http://www.nielsenevoldsen.eu/Common_Pages/Page2/Page2_EN.html
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Welcome page of the site of Niels Enevoldsen on the French Frigate Le Fleuronwww.nielsenevoldsen.eu
Look Inside of the Booklet:
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In the following post you will find Look Inside of the Drawings....
It would be great to have two building logs of this highly interesting ship
POF La Palme (L'Amarante) Corvette 1747 1:36 (Ancre Monographie)
https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/.. .tte-1747-1-36-ancre-monograph-by-tobias.9295/
Hello everyone,
Don - Thank you for the information on shipping.
Tobias, Philski and Uwek - Yes, I plan on starting a build log. I think having two or more builds going at the same time would to a great idea. A fair warning, I always have lots of questions. Also, I have retired after a 40 year career and I think my wife is looking forward to me being occupied. She is still working from home and she needs her quiet time.
I already have my first question. As this will be my first POF build, could someone suggest one or two books that are very complete in taking someone through their first POF build. I have read about several good books, but I would like to pick one or two. ANCRE has several books that appear to have what I am looking for. An Introduction To Planked on Frame Scale Model Ship Building and The Art of Ship Modeling. The two volume set by Harold Under hill seem to be a popular selection. There are also many other books that look to be very good.
Thanks,
Bill
Don - Thank you for the information on shipping.
Tobias, Philski and Uwek - Yes, I plan on starting a build log. I think having two or more builds going at the same time would to a great idea. A fair warning, I always have lots of questions. Also, I have retired after a 40 year career and I think my wife is looking forward to me being occupied. She is still working from home and she needs her quiet time.
I already have my first question. As this will be my first POF build, could someone suggest one or two books that are very complete in taking someone through their first POF build. I have read about several good books, but I would like to pick one or two. ANCRE has several books that appear to have what I am looking for. An Introduction To Planked on Frame Scale Model Ship Building and The Art of Ship Modeling. The two volume set by Harold Under hill seem to be a popular selection. There are also many other books that look to be very good.
Thanks,
Bill
Hi Bill,
AN INTRODUCTION TO PLANKED ON FRAME SCALE MODEL SHIPBUILDING
THE 74 GUN SHIP Practical Treatise on the Art of the Navy 1780 Volumes 1-3. These are the basic books on which all monographs are built.
The Art of Ship Model Building - Bernard Frolich
These are the books I can recommend to you.
Tobias
Hello everyone,
Thanks Tobias. I will order “The Art of Ship Model Building” when I order the monograph. My wife and I just got back from hiking in the mountains, but getting those two things ordered is first on my list of things to do.
Thanks,
Bill
Thanks Tobias. I will order “The Art of Ship Model Building” when I order the monograph. My wife and I just got back from hiking in the mountains, but getting those two things ordered is first on my list of things to do.
Thanks,
Bill
In my opinion the book The Art of Ship Model Building isn´t worth the money. Frölich is a top-scratcher but the book is too oldschool and the decription of the techniques are not so good. It gives more questions then answers. Better to buy the book from Adrian Sorolla for the beginning. But the best tip is to check the buildinglogs from the POF-Scratcher and ask them.
Hello Oliver,
Interesting information. I have read that the book by Adrian Sorolla is a very complete guide to build a POF model from beginning to end and it follows the construction of the Le Rochefort. This may be a better direction to take for a first POF build. But I do really like the L' Amarante. I have also read that the book "Historic Ship Models" by Wolfram zu Mondfeld is a very good book also. Does anyone have any thoughts on this book. I plan to buy three or four books to get me started on my journey. I also plan to buy several books on rigging of ships of that period.
Thanks for the help,
Bill
Interesting information. I have read that the book by Adrian Sorolla is a very complete guide to build a POF model from beginning to end and it follows the construction of the Le Rochefort. This may be a better direction to take for a first POF build. But I do really like the L' Amarante. I have also read that the book "Historic Ship Models" by Wolfram zu Mondfeld is a very good book also. Does anyone have any thoughts on this book. I plan to buy three or four books to get me started on my journey. I also plan to buy several books on rigging of ships of that period.
Thanks for the help,
Bill
Good morning Bill, I forgot to mention Sorolla. Oliver inspired me and gave me the tip to build the Amarante as it is a very good monograph for beginners like us, so I think you should definitely build it too. Oliver is also right about the construction logs, in my opinion they help enormously and if you don't know what to do, just ask questions. As far as rigging is concerned, have a look under the heading Book Tips, you will find a lot there.
I had already included Sorolla
If i would start new, i would try to go a clear way.
The first POF-Project is a different war to the following projects. Everything is new, and the goal is to finish the model and learn the maximum what you can.
Don´t waste your time and energy with the search for to much details. I did this error on my La Belle. Its stupid because you open the points on too much corners and at the final you will lost the overview. Behind this a lot of people lost as well the motivation ! Pick up a good monography and build the first project "out of the box". In the followings project you have a higher skill and you will get more space to pimp up the modell, to research, to test advanced techniques ect....
Only my experience from my own projects !
Your library should combine with the type of Ship wht you need to build ! Nation and epoch is very important.
Mondfeld is interesting but its only a only a quick and dirty overview and every detail from this book needs a another confirmation from a other more reliable source.
Interesting books for rigging for the 18. century are from Karl Heinz Marquardt and Klaus Schrage. For the 17 century from R.C. Anderson. For french rigging are all the products from www.ancre.fr very interesting. There are as well contemporary drawings and models that can help a lot.
I wish you a good start.
The first POF-Project is a different war to the following projects. Everything is new, and the goal is to finish the model and learn the maximum what you can.
Don´t waste your time and energy with the search for to much details. I did this error on my La Belle. Its stupid because you open the points on too much corners and at the final you will lost the overview. Behind this a lot of people lost as well the motivation ! Pick up a good monography and build the first project "out of the box". In the followings project you have a higher skill and you will get more space to pimp up the modell, to research, to test advanced techniques ect....
Only my experience from my own projects !
Your library should combine with the type of Ship wht you need to build ! Nation and epoch is very important.
Mondfeld is interesting but its only a only a quick and dirty overview and every detail from this book needs a another confirmation from a other more reliable source.
Interesting books for rigging for the 18. century are from Karl Heinz Marquardt and Klaus Schrage. For the 17 century from R.C. Anderson. For french rigging are all the products from www.ancre.fr very interesting. There are as well contemporary drawings and models that can help a lot.
I wish you a good start.
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To summarize the afore mentioned information
Important to have Vol 1 and 2 of the 74 gun ship by Jean Boudriot
and evtl. later on the Vol. 3 when it is goind to make the masting and rigging
Frölich´s book "The Art of shipmodeling" is a nice to have
To start with scratch building the Rochefort is much easier to build, so with the Help of Sorollas book very good to get used to the scratch building
and after the Rochefort - the Amaranthe
BTW: The design works of Gérard Delacroix is the best you can get, the descriptions in the booklet is more detailed than usual and in addition the Sorolla book was translated by our friend and member @Gilles Korent
BTW2: Concentrate in the moment of the structural subjects of such a model, means all necessary wooden works - masting and rigging will come later in some time
Important to have Vol 1 and 2 of the 74 gun ship by Jean Boudriot
Book review - THE 74-GUN SHIP - Volume 1 - HULL CONSTRUCTION" (Set of 4 Volumes) - by Jean Boudriot
Book Review: THE 74-Gun SHIP / THE SEVENTY-FOUR GUN SHIP A Practical Treatise on the Art of Naval Architecture 4 Volume Set (Set of 4 volumes) Overview of the Content of all 4 Volumes Here: Volume 1 - HULL CONSTRUCTION by Jean Boudriot english translation by David H. Roberts...
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Book review - Book Review: "THE 74-GUN SHIP - Volume 2 - FITTING OUT THE HULL" (Set of 4 Volumes) - by Jean Boudriot
Book Review: THE 74-Gun SHIP / THE SEVENTY-FOUR GUN SHIP A Practical Treatise on the Art of Naval Architecture 4 Volume Set (Set of 4 volumes) Overview of the Content of all 4 Volumes: Here: Volume 2 - FITTING OUT THE HULL by Jean Boudriot english translation by David H. Roberts...
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and evtl. later on the Vol. 3 when it is goind to make the masting and rigging
Book review - Book Review: "THE 74-GUN SHIP - Volume 3 - MASTS - SAILS - RIGGING" (Set of 4 Volumes) - by Jean Boudriot
Book Review: THE 74-Gun SHIP / THE SEVENTY-FOUR GUN SHIP A Practical Treatise on the Art of Naval Architecture 4 Volume Set (Set of 4 volumes) Overview of the Content of all 4 Volumes Here: Volume 3 - MASTS - SAILS - RIGGING by Jean Boudriot english translation by David H. Roberts...
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Frölich´s book "The Art of shipmodeling" is a nice to have
Book review - The Art of Shipmodeling / L'ART DU MODELISME / Die Kunst des Modellbaus" by Bernard FRÖLICH / Frolich
Today I want to bring close to you and highly recommend one book, which has a very special place and importance in my library. L'ART DU MODELISME The Art of Shipmodeling Die Kunst des Modellbaus by Bernard FRÖLICH Hardcover: 304 pages Publisher: www.ancre.fr (2002) Package...
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To start with scratch building the Rochefort is much easier to build, so with the Help of Sorollas book very good to get used to the scratch building
Planset review - LE ROCHEFORT - 1787" Harbour Supply Vessel / Yacht - 1:36 - by Gerard Delacroix
Planset Review: LE ROCHEFORT - 1787 Harbour Supply Vessel / Yacht - 1:36 by Gerard Delacroix Monographie is available directly from Gerard Delacroix via http://gerard.delacroix.pagesperso-orange.fr/rochefort/plaquette-e.htm Price exclusive postage is 66,- Euro There are different...
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Book review - An introduction to MODEL SHIP BUILDING “DOCKYARD STYLE”" by Adrian SOROLLA translation by GILLES KORENT
Book Review: An introduction to MODEL SHIP BUILDING “DOCKYARD STYLE” (often also "AN INTRODUCTION TO PLANKED ON FRAME SCALE MODEL SHIP BUILDING “DOCKYARD STYLE”") by Adrian SOROLLA translation by GILLES KORENT (our member @Gilles Korent f.e leading the ShipsofScale group build of the Canoe)...
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and after the Rochefort - the Amaranthe
BTW: The design works of Gérard Delacroix is the best you can get, the descriptions in the booklet is more detailed than usual and in addition the Sorolla book was translated by our friend and member @Gilles Korent
BTW2: Concentrate in the moment of the structural subjects of such a model, means all necessary wooden works - masting and rigging will come later in some time
Hello everyone,
Thank you all so much for the very helpful information. The one thing that I know for sure, is that when I get started on my journey, I will have lots of help and encouragement.
Thanks,
Bill
Thank you all so much for the very helpful information. The one thing that I know for sure, is that when I get started on my journey, I will have lots of help and encouragement.
Thanks,
Bill
Hello everyone,
Thank you for the likes.
I would like to ask a question about ship construction. I have been reading about French ships of this period. With regard to the ships measurements, how did ship designers measured their hull length. I have read that some measured between perpendiculars, some at the waterline and some by length of keel. Looking at the monograph of the L'Amarante, the length is 86cm at 1:36 scale. Where was that measurement taken.
Would it be appropriate to start a build log at this point. It will be a while before I get started with the build, but I have a lot of setup to do that I could include in the log and this would give men a place to ask questions.
Thank you for your help,
Bill
Thank you for the likes.
I would like to ask a question about ship construction. I have been reading about French ships of this period. With regard to the ships measurements, how did ship designers measured their hull length. I have read that some measured between perpendiculars, some at the waterline and some by length of keel. Looking at the monograph of the L'Amarante, the length is 86cm at 1:36 scale. Where was that measurement taken.
Would it be appropriate to start a build log at this point. It will be a while before I get started with the build, but I have a lot of setup to do that I could include in the log and this would give men a place to ask questions.
Thank you for your help,
Bill
Hello Bill the 86cm at 1:36 are from the bow stripe to the transom
Tobias,
Thank you for the information.
Bill
Thank you for the information.
Bill
Hello everyone,
My order from ANCRE arrived today. I placed the order on 06-04-2022 ( which was a Saturday) and it arrived today!!! That was nine days from France. I live in Florida. You can't do any better than that. It would take that long to order something from my own state. Thank you ANCRE and the mail services for the unbelievable response.
I am starting a build log to start my journey.
Thanks,
Bill
My order from ANCRE arrived today. I placed the order on 06-04-2022 ( which was a Saturday) and it arrived today!!! That was nine days from France. I live in Florida. You can't do any better than that. It would take that long to order something from my own state. Thank you ANCRE and the mail services for the unbelievable response.
I am starting a build log to start my journey.
Thanks,
Bill
My order from Sea Watch took 6 weeks from USA to Germany. Congratulations Bill, I'm looking forward to your start.