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La Renommee 1/48th Scale

Well nothing to report here other than frustration after two months of working on the same assembly. I can not get the hawse timbers to match each other after several attempts. I thought I had it right installed them this AM then my electric file slipped while fairing the interior of the frame. To compound matters after I was careful to install frame one perpendicular to frame - after adding the hawse timbers its off. This assembly is so crucial to the entire frame that i have not other choice but to start over yet again.

Bow 1.jpg

Bow 4.jpg

Bow 3.jpg

Bow 2.jpg
 
Ugh. I would tell you it looks fine, but I know your internal clock would never accept that.

Rather than installing frame 1 first - how about building an overhead gantry type thing that establishes the perfect perpendicular and build the hawse timber assembly to that reference - then go back and add frame 1 (to now perfected hawse timbers)???
 
Thanks for the input gents. Unfortunately its not how it looks - frame alignment on a fully framed build is critical. If this bow frame is not perfectly set up the rest of the hull will be compromised.

I will start over with another frame 1 - which will allow me to make sure there wasn't the issue with the previous frame 1 in the first place. And build the hawse timbers again this time with more fat on each one which could help as I can sand the entire assembly to fit a perfectly aligned frame 1. And of course the new frame will not have that slip of the file on the interior which to me is an eyesore.

Its only wood and I have a ton of it - in fact I was hoping enough to build two ships - at this rate of waste could be one and a half...
 
The more I think about it - Frame 1 has to be the issue. I built the hawse timbers a half dozen times with the same outcome - talk about a glutton for punishment - with the same result - port off by 1.5 mm to starboard. So best to start over - the only good news here is with each new attempt it takes less time than the last.
 
I feel your pain, Chris. If I recall your drawings are of half frames. Any chance there is a distortion in the pattern during the mirroring? If you look at the photo of frame 1 that you posted it is not symmetrical (though perhaps that was introduced during the fairing process?).

The reason I was suggesting a gantry (or similar) was because looking from above it appears that frame 1 is not perpendicular to the keel - but now I'm wondering if you meant something else?

Anyway, if I am lost don't feel like you have to explain yourself. I am just here to learn (and commiserate as needed).
 
I dont mind explaining Paul ! Ive been doing the autopsy after removing the frames and hawse timbers from the keel already. The drawings I am using are full frames drafted by another modeler from Boudriot's half frames. They were checked and are sound.

I believe the issues started with the seating of frame 1 which sits on a double notch on the keel at the bow, I dont think it ever seated properly but I thought after the glue dried and using some clamps and rubber bands it would stay perpendicular to the keel. It may have or may not have. I do know after the assembly of the hawse timbers off the model before mounting them between frame 1 and the keel threw the frame out of alignment as you noticed from the overhead picture above the build board. Screwing up with the slip of the electric file on the interior of frame while fairing it didnt help my resolve to try to salvage it either.

So the problem could be the frame itself, the hawse timbers or both. The only remedy here is to start over with lessons learned. And now that I've built these parts multiple times it should take half the time with better results.
 
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