JUST REALLY GORGOUS WORK TURNING THIS HOBBY INSIDE OUT FOR THE BETTER GREAT FANTASTIC IDEAS. GOD BLESS, STAY SAFE YOU AND YOURS DON
Planset review LA VOLAGE – A long bark / Barque longue - 1693 in scale 1:24 or 1:36 by Jean-Claude Lemineur
Hallo
first of all a warm welcome here in the group of active members.
I fully agrre with your positive words about Szkutniks work on the decortions - and they are really doing amazing quality.
I am also happy to heat, that we could be helpful in the decision to order this planset. So when you start with the build, please make also parallel a building log of this very interesting ship. In scale 1:48 it will be a relative short hull with appr. 50cm. Do you plan to make POF or POB hull?
I am expecting the english version, this time with 1:36 drawings very soon........
Thank you very much for your kind words! I have a full time job when the Lockdown ends some time, as well as two kids in home-schooling and a wife...
A 1/48 POF Kit would be absolutely amazing, but If this won't happen, i'll try to build her from scratch.
In any case, a really nice ship!
A 1/48 POF Kit would be absolutely amazing, but If this won't happen, i'll try to build her from scratch.
In any case, a really nice ship!
I AM LOOKING AT THIS ONE CAREFULLY, WILL BE ORDERING ENGLISH VERSION SHORTLY I HAVE STERN IDEAS FOR FUTURE SCRATCOR SEMI/KIT/SCRATCH SOUND FAMILAR KRIS. GOD BLESS STAY SAFE ALL DON
I do still struggle with the terror innzhe SAINT PHILIPPE 1693 plan set and I am unwilling to risk again money on a Lemineur CAD project. LA BELLE, FRANÇOIS are other examples for the problems that are in the plans.
The decorative element is very fine but isn't it to strickt for 1697 - to structured and to less flowerish?
The decorative element is very fine but isn't it to strickt for 1697 - to structured and to less flowerish?
What i have learnd for me, that the mosts plans gives only the basics. But it´s difficult if the mainstructure is with errors. The most mistake a modeler will find during the construcion. Depend what kind of error it is, it´s sometimes impossible to correct it. The only chance is to doublecheck the plan before the construction starts. You did everything right with the Saint Philippe. I did the same with the La Belle. If you find the error early you have chance to react. But how is the solution then ? You paid 100-200 Euros for a good plan and have to draw the frames ?
A lot of people dont have the skill or the technical infrastructure for that kind of work. I think the plans from Gerard Delacroix you can follow, i never heard about problems.
With or without error, have a lot of respect from the work from Jean-Claude Lemineur, and i am a big fan of his work.
A lot of people dont have the skill or the technical infrastructure for that kind of work. I think the plans from Gerard Delacroix you can follow, i never heard about problems.
With or without error, have a lot of respect from the work from Jean-Claude Lemineur, and i am a big fan of his work.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen!
Yes, I was also delighted with the news of the publication of this monograph. I plan to buy it in the future.
But while looking at the drawings from this forum, I noticed some interrogative details.
Such a picture, questions to it:
1. Where are these dowels clogged?
2. Perhaps this end of the board should also be fixed with dowels?
Yes, I was also delighted with the news of the publication of this monograph. I plan to buy it in the future.
But while looking at the drawings from this forum, I noticed some interrogative details.
Such a picture, questions to it:
1. Where are these dowels clogged?
2. Perhaps this end of the board should also be fixed with dowels?
Now, not even a question, but a small comment: these decorative elements are the same with those of FREGATE LEGERE L'AURORE 1697. That is, either these decorative elements were some kind of universal and were made in the same workshop, or the creators of the monoraphy made their work a little easier.
Dear friends, I will be glad to receive your comments!
Dear friends, I will be glad to receive your comments!
Hi Archi!
# 29
On the plan 31 a few lines of the sail pass through the left arm of the figurehead. Like the misplaced nails, these are simply unnoticed careless mistakes.
# 30
On these small ships, similar to the "La Belle", there is hardly any room for the crew to work. The cannons have always interfered. With their 4 pound bullets, they had, similar to the swivel guns, a low recoil that had to be held by the ropes. On the other hand, the large warships had the 2nd thickest rope of the ship (like the main mast shrouds) at the 36 pounders to stop the recoil. The lenght of the gun barrels is probably proven by the findings of the "La Belle" gun barrels.
# 31
Thes decorative elements at the reling can be seen on many French ships - on the "74 guns ship" 1755, the "Sans Pareil" 1757, the "Le Louis XV" 1700 etc. They are not a development of Lemineur.
Best regards
Thomas
# 29
On the plan 31 a few lines of the sail pass through the left arm of the figurehead. Like the misplaced nails, these are simply unnoticed careless mistakes.
# 30
On these small ships, similar to the "La Belle", there is hardly any room for the crew to work. The cannons have always interfered. With their 4 pound bullets, they had, similar to the swivel guns, a low recoil that had to be held by the ropes. On the other hand, the large warships had the 2nd thickest rope of the ship (like the main mast shrouds) at the 36 pounders to stop the recoil. The lenght of the gun barrels is probably proven by the findings of the "La Belle" gun barrels.
# 31
Thes decorative elements at the reling can be seen on many French ships - on the "74 guns ship" 1755, the "Sans Pareil" 1757, the "Le Louis XV" 1700 etc. They are not a development of Lemineur.
Best regards
Thomas
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La Belle, cannons drawn in plan 49 mm (scale 1:36) = 1,76 meters.
La Volage, cannons drawn in plan 57,5 mm (scale 1:36) = 1,92 m meters.
La Belle, found 4 guns of the "Faucon" as cargo, length 5 pieds (1 pied 32,5 cm) = 1,625 meters, recorded in the archiv in Rochefort, France.
And 3 cannons with a length of 5 feet (152,40 cm) 7 Inches (17,78 cm) = 1,70 meters. Data from the book: From a Watery Grave, James Bruseth, 2005, page 93.
In the book "Artillerie de mer", Ancre Publishing, page 29, 4-pounders of 1674 are given with a tube length of 1,76 meters. This corresponds to the construction plan of the "La Belle" according to Boudriot.
La Volage. Lemineur gives the length of his gun barrels on page 79 as 6 pieds.
In the book "Artillerie de mer" plan 1, page 202, year 1700, the tube length of a 4-pounder is given as 6 pieds = 1,95 meters. This corresponds to the construction plan of the "La Volage" according to Lemineur.
Finally, there are differences according to the foundries an conversion errors.
With 4-poundings greetings
Thomas
La Volage, cannons drawn in plan 57,5 mm (scale 1:36) = 1,92 m meters.
La Belle, found 4 guns of the "Faucon" as cargo, length 5 pieds (1 pied 32,5 cm) = 1,625 meters, recorded in the archiv in Rochefort, France.
And 3 cannons with a length of 5 feet (152,40 cm) 7 Inches (17,78 cm) = 1,70 meters. Data from the book: From a Watery Grave, James Bruseth, 2005, page 93.
In the book "Artillerie de mer", Ancre Publishing, page 29, 4-pounders of 1674 are given with a tube length of 1,76 meters. This corresponds to the construction plan of the "La Belle" according to Boudriot.
La Volage. Lemineur gives the length of his gun barrels on page 79 as 6 pieds.
In the book "Artillerie de mer" plan 1, page 202, year 1700, the tube length of a 4-pounder is given as 6 pieds = 1,95 meters. This corresponds to the construction plan of the "La Volage" according to Lemineur.
Finally, there are differences according to the foundries an conversion errors.
With 4-poundings greetings
Thomas
Yes, of course, historical information is always useful. But the question remains open: where do the cannons roll back to reload (during a battle)? After all, the ship is combat and the reload speed is very important. As well as the safety of the gunners under a hail of bullets and buckshot.
La Volage, with its small size, still belongs to the "small navy". To close the gunport covers, the guns had to be secured lengthwise to the ship's side. It was not possible to secure them against the ship's side in the usual way as on large ships with the gun barrels lifted foreward.
She was not armed for a fight against larger ships and had no chance with her total crew of 47 men. One of them was a main gunner! For the operation of a 4-pounder 3 men were necessary. Loading the guns was difficult because the guns could not be retracted far enough on the deck. The "light bullets" could be loaded through the gun port. The ramming and securing of the balls was again a balancing act.
100 years later, for chronic lack of space, the carronades were introduced, which were lashed tightly to the ship's side and could not be retracted. The tubes were shorter, but loading had to be done outside the ship and the bullets were much heavier than on the La Volage.
Best regards
Thomas
She was not armed for a fight against larger ships and had no chance with her total crew of 47 men. One of them was a main gunner! For the operation of a 4-pounder 3 men were necessary. Loading the guns was difficult because the guns could not be retracted far enough on the deck. The "light bullets" could be loaded through the gun port. The ramming and securing of the balls was again a balancing act.
100 years later, for chronic lack of space, the carronades were introduced, which were lashed tightly to the ship's side and could not be retracted. The tubes were shorter, but loading had to be done outside the ship and the bullets were much heavier than on the La Volage.
Best regards
Thomas
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Is there any difference with arragement with the case between the plansets 1/24 and 1/36 ?
I bought the 1/48 74-Gun ship and it comes in a plasticenvelope with a carton slipcase. Very ugly and doesn´t combine
with the other monos in the shelf.
I bought the 1/48 74-Gun ship and it comes in a plasticenvelope with a carton slipcase. Very ugly and doesn´t combine
with the other monos in the shelf.
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Hi Oliver!
The monograph at 1:36 harmonizes with the rest of the "Ancre" books. The contents do not quite fill the cover. I suppose even the monograph in 1:24 has enough space in the envelope.
The 74 gun ship was available in different versions. The English version has a slightly more yellowish cover in volumes 1 and 2 than volumes 3 and 4 and was printed in England.
The French version of the first edition has a more insensitve coarse linen cover. There were also leather bindings, other covers. . .
Best regards
Thomas
The monograph at 1:36 harmonizes with the rest of the "Ancre" books. The contents do not quite fill the cover. I suppose even the monograph in 1:24 has enough space in the envelope.
The 74 gun ship was available in different versions. The English version has a slightly more yellowish cover in volumes 1 and 2 than volumes 3 and 4 and was printed in England.
The French version of the first edition has a more insensitve coarse linen cover. There were also leather bindings, other covers. . .
Best regards
Thomas